This is a common answer but it does not apply to at least most of Europe. Because of regulations most banks require to install their app either on iOS or Android to act as a 2FA device. One of my banks gave me a hardware device 20 years ago. When its battery dies I'll have to use their app and my fingerprint.

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drnick1 5 hours ago | parent [-]

If you really don't have an alternative in Europe, buy the cheapest Googled Android device (less than $100 or euros), and use that as a glorified 2FA device. It's not ideal because you have to pay for it, but on the other hand Android devices with unlockable bootloaders (mostly Google Pixels now) tend to be cheaper than iThings. A Pixel 9a or 10a running Graphene for everyday use plus a cheap Android phone that stays are home are still considerably cheaper than Apple and Samsung devices, and give the users far more privacy and freedom.

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flaburgan an hour ago | parent | next [-]

How do you install the bank app if google does not allow you to install APKs manually / with a 3rd party store? You have to go with Google Play. Which requires a Google account. So I can't do it. That's the whole point of this thread: it would not be possible to use Android without a Google account.

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pmontra 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, that's the endgame, an Android device in a drawer at home. But what do I have to carry on my pocket to use the minimum amount of apps? Firefox, WhatsApp with video and audio calls, Telegram no video no audio, a mail client, a YouTube client (possibly not from YouTube), a maps and navigation app (for cars), phone calls, SMS.

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LikesPwsh an hour ago | parent [-]

YouTube on Firefox is a much better experience than the official YouTube app, so you can drop one from the list.

	▲	pmontra 22 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I'm using NewPipe and PipePipe. Both are better than the browser app.

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microtonal 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most European banking apps work fine though on a relocked GrapheneOS phone.

https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

I'm using my GrapheneOS phone to log on to their web app without issues (though I typically only do banking on my phone, much more secure).

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hparadiz 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When I was still rooting it was possible to bypass this on a rooted device with enough effort. It wasn't unsecure either. Padentic corporate security doesn't really make us more secure. Just more lazy.