Then again, Egypt was definitely driven by Western agitators, as was the case Iran recently. Iran probably got Russian tech to trace starlink users during the blackout which put a target on many Western assets in Iran. I'm not saying the Iran government didn't also kill and torture independent actors nor that I support state violence (against its citizens, in this case). Just saying that any government will use violence to stay in power and to ensure regime change doesn't happen outside of whatever system the state upholds.

▲

linkregister 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Evidence to the contrary abounds regarding Egypt. Secretary of State Clinton famously rejected the popularly-elected Muslim Brotherhood government and pledged support to Mubarak. This tacit approval led him to have a successful coup against the popularly elected government.

If by "western" you meant some other power then you should be specific. Western as a term is imprecise and can be interpreted differently depending on the audience.

▲

ch4s3 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The claim that Iranian protesters were western agitators is a pernicious lie.

▲

roenxi 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you suggesting the US intelligence services are negligent in this instance? The US launched an unprovoked attack last year to try and force regime change, they look for all the world like they're about to do the same thing again this year. If they didn't have a hand in the protests, that seems like a stunning failure on the part of the US State Department to support their own policies. It'd be a lot cheaper and far less risky than the current military buildup.

Unless I suppose your interpretation of the purge of USAID, etc, by the Trump administration house-clearing a bunch of people because they failed to position assets in Iran. That'd be evidence in favour of them missing the boat on the Iran protests, I suppose. But even then, they've had a few months to get their act together and at least try something.

▲

ch4s3 an hour ago | parent [-]

> If they didn't have a hand in the protests, that seems like a stunning failure on the part of the US State Department to support their own policies

This is nothing but evidence free speculation. What you’re doing is undermining the validity of the protest movement and parroting the line of the Iranian government. It’s disgusting. Take this shit somewhere else.

	▲	roenxi 23 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		It's hardly evidence-free, this stuff [0, 1, 2] has been making international news headlines for months. And the last time the US was involved in toppling Iran they used paid-for protests [3] so it is hardly speculative to say they'd do again what worked last time. That is just common sense on their part. If they haven't done that, then people will be fired in the US executive for incompetence because that is the cheapest way to achieve their rather clear goals of rolling Iran's power structures. If you don't believe that they did that, who do you think is responsible for that failure on the US government's part? It is unfortunate that the US's actions right now undermined whatever validity you feel the protests had. I certainly agree it is disgusting - and also bad for US interests so it is curious why they're doing it. Take it up with them if you have a problem with the idea, I'm not a US general or policy maker. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_war [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_strikes_on_Irani... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_buildup... [3] https://theconversation.com/how-the-cia-toppled-iranian-demo... / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

▲

10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

[deleted]