| ▲ | hnthrow0287345 5 hours ago |
| >They’re failing to save because the world is rough, and their institutions don’t do enough to help them weather it. Well, America is rough. It turned on hardcore capitalism mode for itself because a significant portion of its population wants to try and solo socioeconomic hardships and hates any one who doesn't want the same challenge. But not to just blame the voter, lots of money is spent for setting up systems to be amenable to acquiring more money. The very richest have correctly made a bet that uprisings to displace the wealthy and politicians just don't occur here these days, and therefore there is no real threat or need to change the way things have been going for the last 25 years or so. |
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| ▲ | vladms 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Isn't it more a cultural issue though? As a European, I think many Americans take pride and love to succeed "on their own" and accept they could "die trying" (exaggerating a bit, hence the quotes, but the feeling holds). Yes, the systems are amenable to acquiring more money, but I would claim that all that the richest need to do is to push the idea that "anyone can make it" - which was probably (more) true 50 years ago, but is probably an illusion today (some comments at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_mobility_in_the_...). Edit: I do not claim one model is better than the other; just that the culture influences the outcome more than other aspects. |
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| ▲ | irishcoffee 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most Americans I know in my middling years are counting on the government to support them in their old age, quite the opposite that you’re exposed to via online manipulation hitpeices. | | |
| ▲ | vladms 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I was talking mostly about Americans I met. What might be true though is that probably I met the well off ones and between 30 and 40, which might like the idea of "we are great because we made it". But they all seemed (to me) that they were extremely focused on work (like: no particular hobbies, no knowledge of fields outside their work). Some of my impression seems to be confirmed by data, for example (did not check in detail but I have seen similar ideas): "Even so, the average 40-hour-per-week employee in the U.S. is working 400 more hours annually — the equivalent of 10 more weeks — than employees in Germany." https://money.com/americans-work-hours-vs-europe-china/ | |
| ▲ | nozzlegear 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Depends on which cohort of Americans you're talking about, but it's less that they see it as the government supporting them and more that they see it as the government "giving back what they owe." Social Security and Medicare have always been framed as something you pay into now and get back later in life, like you're lending money to the government. That's why most Americans don't view it as government support in the way Europeans do, and why they see no hypocrisy in spitting venom at "government handouts" while cashing their Social Security check and Medicare coverage. | |
| ▲ | bluGill 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And the government will - sortof. It is enough to eat and keep the heat on. However if you want anything other than a basic simple life (travel, hobbies...) it is easy to run out of money. |
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| ▲ | jorblumesea 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | if by "culture" you mean rampant corporate propagandized media then yes. the US has historically been pretty close to europe over the last 100 years on many aspects. In the 70s there was legitimate debate about college being free. Now the debate is how much debt someone should take on. The overton window has shifted significantly since the 80s. We're now more like Russia with an entrenched oligarchy. | |
| ▲ | eli_gottlieb 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Isn't it more a cultural issue though? No. Culture is downstream of institutions. | |
| ▲ | boelboel 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A large part of it is originally rooted in racism if you look how the US implemented its welfare state. Many benefits were skewed towards white americans (GI Bill, right to claim land, redlining and social security). I'm sure most Americans aren't nearly as racist right now as back then but the being 'on their own' is linked to the 'don't want 'lazy' african americans to get benefits'. | | |
| ▲ | CamperBob2 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | How were Social Security and the GI Bill skewed towards white Americans, exactly? I haven't heard that before. |
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| ▲ | arolihas 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Like half of our budget goes to welfare (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Income Security, etc). https://www.usaspending.gov/explorer/budget_function |
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| ▲ | Herring 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, the US spends by far the most on healthcare per capita, and still gets the worst outcomes. It's not about throwing money at problems. You have to actually solve them (and want to solve them). | |
| ▲ | phkahler 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Social Security is a separate tax in a separate fund (invested in T-bonds). If you split that out of the budget, the budget looks even worse. The boomers retiring is just going to be bonds maturing without the holder (social security) reinvesting the money. | | | |
| ▲ | yoyohello13 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What annoys me the most about this is I'm like 80% sure none of those programs will exist by the time I retire. | | |
| ▲ | lotsofpulp 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The programs will exist, the purchasing power (or quantity/quality of the benefits) will not. |
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| ▲ | danny_codes 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And yet that GINI keeps rising and cost of living outpaces inflation over the past 40 years in housing, healthcare, and education. If you are bottom quintile, maybe bottom 2, you are poorer now than 40 years ago on average. Recent policy changes seek to drop the third quintile as well. America is designed for rich people | | |
| ▲ | arolihas 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The bottom quintile gets everything handed to them and it's still not enough. We all live at the mercy of them and their dysfunction. | | |
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