For their sake, I hope not. I don't think an outside-donation-financed project with this much ADD can survive in the long term.

It's frustrating to discuss. It is a wonderful case study in how not to make engineering management decisions, and yet, they've occurred over enough time, and the cause is appealing enough, that it's hard to talk about out loud in toto without sounding like a dismissive jerk.

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bbkane 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe I misunderstand, but I thought Jakt was part of SerenityOS, not Ladybird.

From what I can tell they're pretty laser focused on making a browser (even in this issue, they're abandoning Swift).

	▲	LeFantome 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> From what I can tell they're pretty laser focused on making a browser I agree with you. I also agree that this decision is an example of that. SerenityOS had an "everything from scratch in one giant mono-repo" rule. It was, explicitly a hobby project and one rooted in enjoyment and 'idealism from the get go. It was founded by a man looking for something productive to focus on instead of drugs. It was therapy. Hence the name. Ladybird, as an independent project, was founded with the goal of being the only truly independent web browser (independent from corporate control generally and Google specifically). They have been very focussed on that, have not had any sacred cows, and have shed A LOT of the home-grown infrastructure they inherited from being part of SerenityOS. Sometimes that saddens me a little but there is no denying that it has sped them up. Their progress has been incredible. This comment is being written in Ladybird. I have managed GitHub projects in Ladybird. I have sent Gmail messages in Ladybird. It is not "ready" but it blows my mind how close it is. I think Ladybid will be a "usable" browser before we enter 2027. That is just plain amazing.
	▲	robryan 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yeah, Serenityos was build everything from scratch for fun. Ladybird is build where an alternative implementation is going to add value. No need to get sidetracked reinventing SSL or ffmpeg.