| ▲ | showerst 3 hours ago |
| This AI boom is just a hyper-version of previous tech booms (web 1.0, VC, crypto, etc). You have an enormous number of people who just want to get in and build something, but the products they are pumping out don't serve anyone's need or solve anyone's problem. The moat isn't money for out-marketing your idea that 750 other people are building, it's having a good idea that solves a problem that nobody else is solving well. |
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| ▲ | neom 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I worked during the digital revolution in film, I've told the story a zillion times on HN but basically, I went through the first pure digital film program in Canada, by the time I graduated 70% had dropped out, as far as I know I'm the only one who made a proper go at it, and even then when my startup was taking off, a new hot shot would show up every month and be gone the next when they got bored or frustrated when nobody thought they were special. Tools are tools. |
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| ▲ | ncphillips 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > a new hot shot would show up every month and be gone the next when they got bored or frustrated when nobody thought they were special I don't know much about film industry, and I have a ton of brainfog from being sick today. Could you say more? What made them a hotshot? They thought they were like, creative geniuses with digital film or something? | | |
| ▲ | neom 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They often WERE creative geniuses with a digital camera! Brilliant people! In fact they were the ones who came and went the fastest, what makes you useful in industry is very frequently nothing to do with genius or creativity or mastery of the tools. It's things like reliability, stability, team spirit, open mindedness etc. Creative genius is one game, but it's far from the only, or even, main one. Hope you feel better. <3 |
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| ▲ | curiouscavalier an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | yeah this is really a part of it. Both founders and investors get spooked by the rapid entries into a market but persistent not just when it’s hard but when it’s boring goes so much farther. |
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| ▲ | lelanthran 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The moat isn't money for out-marketing your idea that 750 other people are building, it's having a good idea that solves a problem that nobody else is solving well. This is a very naive take. Any good idea you have can now be cloned trivial in no time at all. The clones just need to out spend you on marketing even though it is your idea that the LLM cloned. |
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| ▲ | boplicity 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > the products they are pumping out don't serve anyone's need or solve anyone's problem. This isn't true though. Yes, there are too many products being build that don't serve anyone's needs or solve anyone's problems. However, many of the AI products do solve problems and serve needs. You're right though, to compare this to other booms, which also had the same problem. This is very much a "hyper" version, which is pretty incredible to be in the middle of. |
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| ▲ | showerst 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't mean that _all_ AI built stuff is useless, just that the number of products where 'marketing budget' is the bottleneck is dwarfed by the number of tools that aren't that special in the first place. If you have a product that: 1. Solves a real problem people would pay for 2. Is not trivially replicable by your potential customers or competitors 3. Does not have a natural discovery mechanism by potential customers Then you need the marketing budget. That is not most people's problem. | | |
| ▲ | arrsingh 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I think item #2 in your list is the real kicker here. Given that AI can write code the threshold for "trivially replicable" is going down. Unless your thing has strong network effects or a large capex requirement (ex: GPU infra) its easily replicated and I think that's really what makes things hard. | | |
| ▲ | sarchertech 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Most business software that was truly trivially replicable with AI, was already trivially replicable with the prototyping tools we had available. |
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| ▲ | tjwebbnorfolk an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ok but pick any category of human endeavor and 80% of it is garbage in the beginning. There were 3000 car companies in the 1920s, and most of them sucked, and so they died. The market over time will sort out who survives and who does not. It will take a few years for investors to figure this out, but in the meantime, everyone is spreading their bets around like peanut butter in order to be in the game. |
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| ▲ | PaulDavisThe1st 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > However, many of the AI products do solve problems and serve needs. Every solution to a problem comes with its own costs. It is entirely possible that most solutions that are rooted in modern computing technology have actual or perceived costs that exceed the value of "solving the problem". The problems that most people have that they really want to solve are not addressable by AI, or computers, or software. |
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| ▲ | billconan 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| how to prevent others from building a copycat using ai? |
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| ▲ | caminante 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The discussion here is going sideways, and I blame the underwhelming blog post. Having money is NOT an economic moat-- i.e., a durable, structural competitive advantage. He overlooks broader, true definition of moat attributes like labor supply, infrastructure, PP&E, brand, network, natural monopolies, switching costs, regulation. These don't go away with commoditized CRUD apps. And quoting someone with decades of experience implying that things are hard now and innovation didn't turn over industries in the last 25+ years is a joke. | | |
| ▲ | RGamma 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The more I think about it the more brainrot the article really is. As if all problems are solved and pumping out soulless shovelware companies is worth anything. It really is "just one more app" all over again. |
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| ▲ | maeln 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Knowledge ? For b2c it might be more difficult, but in b2b, understanding your customer and their specifics issue and developing something made for them is one of the big challenge. Being able to spit out code for free is useless if you don't know what and who you are making the code for. | |
| ▲ | ativzzz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The same way you prevented this previously. Copying successful products is nothing new, AI just makes it easier. Marketing, lawyers, good customer support, creating relationships with customers. | |
| ▲ | Bnjoroge 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You cant. You can only focus on building your own product and making it durable and just much better | |
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| ▲ | elbear an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | by keeping the how part a secret | |
| ▲ | rvz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Let's just say, building software alone is not enough. | |
| ▲ | Daishiman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You work on niches that have very specific requirements that you can only derive from having a good relationship with customers and so you attend to those needs faster than competitors who are out of the loop. | | |
| ▲ | billconan 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > you attend to those needs faster than competitors I wonder if this type of hustling can be called moat building? |
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| ▲ | g947o 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You don't. |
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| ▲ | koolba 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The moat isn't money for out-marketing your idea that 750 other people are building, it's having a good idea that solves a problem that nobody else is solving well. An idea is not a moat. Execution is only a moat if being nimble is part of the ongoing offering. |
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| ▲ | _DeadFred_ an hour ago | parent [-] | | Historically, during booms like this (for example the industrial revolution), it was, because we had patent protections in order to encourage ideas to be brought to market. I don't see how you can have an AI revolution that doesn't just funnel everything to the top without something similar. Why invent the cotton gin, find investors, and bring it to market if the steel company with the infinite worker machine can instantly compete with you? |
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| ▲ | clickety_clack 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This seems to me like the few booms I’ve seen before. Absolutely crazy valuations with very little behind them, massive hype, everyone’s unemployed uncle suddenly becoming a shallow expert. It’s probably going to end the same way too, once the upward momentum dissipates and things start to retreat to “fundamentals”, we’ll find out that there were a lot fewer solid points in the market than we were all told to expect, so the fundamentals are actually pretty far down. After 5 to 10 years of regrouping, a more mature and solid version will come about and become such a normal part of life we barely even remember what it was like without it. |
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| ▲ | steveBK123 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | We are well on our way to the popping of inflated expectations. Currently people are taking AI hype too seriously and extrapolating its success out in such a way as to discount the value of other businesses. Example - last week a bunch of trucking stocks crashed 10-20% because a $6M company that pivoted from Karaoke to AI demoed something. This is just insane. Sure, if say Waymo is pivoting into commercial trucking.. maybe. But people are basically shorting minutemaid lemonade because their neighbors kids opened up a lemonade stand. Demos are easy, products are hard. |
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| ▲ | PlatoIsADisease 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Buddy, my wife vibe coded an app that solves her PTO tracking problem in 1 shot. Her payroll company was going to charge her an extra $200 a month. |
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| ▲ | RC_ITR 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's like that FT chart claiming that the rapid rise in iOS apps is evidence of an AI-fueled productivity boom. I always ask people, in the past year, how many AI-coded apps have you 1) downloaded 2) paid for? |
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| ▲ | sarchertech 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In addition to that, what they don’t mention is that: 1. Other app stores like Google Play and Steam haven’t seen this rapid rise. 2. There are thousands maybe tens of thousands of apps that are just wrappers calling OpenAI APIs or similar low effort AI apps making up a large percentage of this increase. 3. There are billions of dollars pouring into AI startups and many of them launch an iOS app. | | |
| ▲ | vkou an hour ago | parent [-] | | Has steam not seen a rapid rise in AI-asset shovelware? I'm not talking about the AAA or the AA or even the A space (where AI is being incorporated into dev processes with various degrees of both success and low effort slop), I'm talking about the actual bottom of the barrel. | | |
| ▲ | sarchertech an hour ago | parent [-] | | I can’t speak to the quality of all the games released, but in January 2025 there were 1,413 games released on Steam and in January of this year there were 1,448. |
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| ▲ | disgruntledphd2 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It's like that FT chart claiming that the rapid rise in iOS apps is evidence of an AI-fueled productivity boom. I mean, there is evidence for some change. Personally, I'm sceptical of what this will amount to, but prior to EOY 2025, there really wasn't any evidence for an app/service boom, and now there's weak evidence, which is better than none. | |
| ▲ | esseph an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I always ask people, in the past year, how many AI-coded apps have you 1) downloaded 2) paid for? In the past 5 years, the only "new" app I've added to my phone has been Claude.ai. Before that I guess DoorDash. And that probably covers the past 7ish years of phone use. There's just too much shit in the store, a lot of it is scammy or has dark patterns. | |
| ▲ | _DeadFred_ an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because so much technical functionality has been lost/paywalled/dark patterned/enshitified, I've cut the number of apps I use. I've realized building core personal functionality around the whims of corporations eventually just gets weaponized against me, so I might as well start undoing that on my own terms. Who in 2026 is really bringing in a new app/Saas to do much of anything like we naively did a decade ago? No one I know, we've been shown we will be treated as suckers for doing that. |
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| ▲ | Bnjoroge 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Eh, there's some truth it both. The truth is somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. Distribution absolutely matters, often times even more than the product. And vice versa |
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| ▲ | _DeadFred_ an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Not really. It's money/resources. I had some really useful apps I built for myself. I looked at releasing them, but there were companies whose business model was waiting for people like me to release apps that solve a problem, and then just instantly jump on creating a solution and outcompeting the independent app. It's trivial for competitors with bigger pockets to outcompete you on your idea, and there are companies whose business model is just that. And with AI customers are trying to do it themselves as well. The only startup I wouldn't be nervous about as a small team without large financial backing would be ones where we start out partnered to multiple companies in the targeted industry so that we can leverage that connection. Historically this is why we have copyright/patent laws. To make it make sense for people to try to bring their ideas to the world. But with everything changing we are back to everyone just sitting on their concepts/solutions unless they have big money behind them. |