| ▲ | gr4vityWall 9 hours ago |
| Great work. I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years, like the Thinkpad T420 used to be. For different reasons, of course. Do the M4 and M5 GPUs also change a lot from the M3? I hope it's not too much work to get those going once M3 is usable. |
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| ▲ | barnabee 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I still haven’t felt much urge to upgrade my 64gb MacBook Pro M1 Max. The biggest issue I have with it is macOS Tahoe. Guess I really should be checking out Asahi on it! |
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| ▲ | drooopy 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | S**, I haven't felt much urge to upgrade from my 16GB M1 Air and I even use it to play some Windows games under Crossover. Quite possibly the best laptop I've ever owned. | |
| ▲ | tmikaeld 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Before you do, note that battery time on Asahi is abysmal at best, so if you're on battery often I'd really reconsider. | | |
| ▲ | cromka an hour ago | parent [-] | | Abysmal? I am getting 8 hours on my M1 air with 80% battery life on it. What are you talking about? | | |
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| ▲ | Tuna-Fish 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years I doubt it. For one, the SSDs have limited lifespans, and are soldered on the mainboard. They'll be fine enough for the planned life of the laptop, but eventually secondary market laptops will start seeing waves of failures, at which point people learn that purchasing one is a gamble. The entire Apple silicon lineup is designed for limited lifespan. |
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| ▲ | netule an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Exactly, the entire appeal of Thinkpads is their ability to be repaired and upgraded by the end user. MacBooks are designed to be disposable. | |
| ▲ | cromka an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Absolutely not. SSD can be resoldered and that service is actually becoming popular and inexpensive. It's not just MacBooks, nearly all laptops have SSD and RAM soldered. This will become a totally normal thing in a few years from now. | | |
| ▲ | wtallis 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Soldered storage is extremely uncommon for laptops not from Apple. You pretty much only find it in very low-end Chromebook type hardware that's using eMMC for cost reasons, and a small fraction of more expensive Qualcomm-based laptops that use UFS for no good reason. All mainstream PC laptops use M.2 NVMe storage. | |
| ▲ | nanliu 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's on chip for the m series and not soldered to the motherboard. | | |
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| ▲ | zozbot234 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Public information seems to describe the M4 GPU as mostly a performance-oriented refresh of the one from M3. M5 has brought bigger changes, not least neural/tensor accelerators on chip. |
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| ▲ | monocasa 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Apparently there's changes to boot that are more or less understood, but require some heavy work to handle. Basically starting with M4 you have a choice between starting with Apple's page table monitor already running in their guarded mode extension, or all apple extensions disabled on the CPU cores. |
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| ▲ | haunter 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I just like the build quality and they are reaching the 200€ threshold on the used market. I bought one with 16GB RAM and a small black strip one the side of the screen (don’t bother me) for 230€ last week |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | >they are reaching the 200€ threshold on the used market. Where?! I just cheeked the used market in Austria and 2020 M1s go for at least 350 for the 8GB RAM models and 450 for the 16GB model. Your 230 for the 16gb one fells more like a rare exception but not them norm everywhere. | | |
| ▲ | haunter 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m in Hungary and usually check Facebook Marketplace, Vinted, and another two local sites Here is another one from today, just messeged them. 230€ rose gold one, and that's without any bargaining offer https://files.catbox.moe/exbrfc.jpg | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Damn that's lucky. I checked facebook marketplace in Austria and prices are double that of what you're showing, even on Intel macbooks, there's no M1 macs for 200 Euros, only 400 Euros and up. Same on Vinted. No 200 Euro M1s, only at 2x the price. The ones that I saw similarly low to yours are obvious scams from scam profiles all repeating the same message in the ad. So maybe the ones you saw are scams as well. Otherwise hungary seems to be a lucky exception for some odd reason. Maybe because people have less disposable income, IDK? Anyway, I wouldn't spend 400 Euros on a used mac with no warranty. The point of buying an old ThinkPad for cheap was that if something broke on it you could easily swap that part yourself for cheap because it was easily repairable and the used market was flooded with spare parts. But if your used macbook dies out of warranty, then you're shit out of luck, you can't fix anything, it's 400 Euros wasted. | | |
| ▲ | haunter a minute ago | parent [-] | | >So maybe the ones you saw are scams as well I bought one already so I know it's not a scam. Scams usually communicate badly and they don't want to meet you in a public space (like a McDonald's with free wifi) Obviously ymmv >Anyway, I wouldn't spend 400 Euros on a used mac with no warranty. This I agree with. I still prefer Thinkpads too but these M1s are also pretty good in almost every sense except for repairability |
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