> I wish banks would do something and support NFC payment systems that don't require the device to be controlled by Google

There are countries where it's possible to pay everywhere with the banking app scanning a QR code. No need for NFC :-).

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stephenr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I use qr based payments regularly where I live, and in my home country I use nfc payments (watch/phone/card) essentially always, when we visit.

NFC is by far more convenient and reliable.

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palata an hour ago | parent [-]

I can't say about "convenient" because I don't use it, but I have been using QR codes for years and I haven't had a single issue. I don't know anyone who has.

QR codes are reliable.

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landgenoot 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You need an active internet connection to pay via QR.

NFC (EMV) works offline.

	▲	palata 17 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Got it, that's a good point! It's so much not an issue where I live that I hadn't realised :-). But it is an issue nonetheless.

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stephenr an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It's regularly unreliable here, because it's reliant on a bank app which in turn is reliant on an internet connection, and banks here are kind of shit.

It's pretty common here that people will be told they need to turn off an otherwise working Wifi connection when facing problems because bank apps will often just not work properly on wifi.

But as I said, even without that, the convenience level is ridiculously different. It's arguably quicker to open your wallet and use a debit card with an NFC chip than it is to use QR codes, before we even talk about the convenience of watch/phone payments using NFC.

	▲	palata 13 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> It's regularly unreliable here, because it's reliant on a bank app which in turn is reliant on an internet connection Got it, that's a fair point! > But as I said, even without that, the convenience level is ridiculously different. It's arguably quicker to open your wallet and use a debit card with an NFC chip than it is to use QR codes This part sounds like those people who use a different unit system than I do and explain to me how my unit system is objectively more inconvenient than theirs. To which I answer: "I think I know better than you what is more convenient for me, given that I use it everyday" :-). I use QR codes instead of opening my wallet, which kind of hints towards the former being more convenient than the latter for me. And for the millions of people who also do that.