Some ukarians would probably prefer to be on a couch too, even if it's West of the donbass, but not like they have a choice about martial law or conscription or the suspension of voting, but hey just some details right?

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atmavatar 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Ceding territory to end the war will surely fix the problem. That worked out well with Crimea, after all.

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gspetr an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Worked out pretty well for Finland, has it not?

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somenameforme 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They didn't cede anything there. They continued to claim that Crimea was theirs, with support from the US. Less than a year before Russia invaded Ukraine, Ukraine was openly speaking of all options to retake Crimea which would obviously entail war with Russia. [1] All the while they were actively seeking to join NATO, and Biden was certainly implying it would happen soon.

This certainly contributed to Russia's decision to invade, as they likely saw the future as being a war on their terms, or a war on NATO's terms. And the narrative about aggressor would have likely played out similarly even if Ukraine/Biden had moved to invade Crimea, precisely because nothing was ever conceded.

[1] - https://www.unian.info/politics/russian-aggression-ukraine-a...

	▲	weregiraffe an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Russia delenda est.