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lollobomb 5 hours ago

Yes, but does it answer questions about Tiananmen Square?

Zetaphor 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why is this important to anyone actually trying to build things with these models

loudmax 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's not relevant to coding, but we need to be very clear eyed about how these models will be used in practice. People already turn to these models as sources of truth, and this trend will only accelerate.

This isn't a reason not to use Qwen. It just means having a sense of the constraints it was developed under. Unfortunately, populist political pressure to rewrite history is being applied to the American models as well. This means its on us to apply reasonable skepticism to all models.

soulofmischief 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a rhetorical attempt to point out that we cannot trade a little convenience for getting locked into a future hellscape where LLMs are the typical knowledge oracle for most people, and shape the way society thinks and evolves due to inherent human biases and intentional masking trained into the models.

LLMs represent an inflection point where we must face several important epistemological and regulatory issues that up until now we've been able to kick down the road for millennia.

ghywertelling 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Information is being erased from Google right now. Things which were searching few years ago are totally not findable at all now. One who controls the present can control both the future and the past.

cherryteastain 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From my testing on their website it doesn't. Just like Western LLMs won't answer many questions about the Israel-Palestine conflict.

aliljet 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That's a bit confusing. Do you believe LLMs coming out of non-chinese labs are censoring information about Israel and/or Palestine? Can you provide examples?

cherryteastain an hour ago | parent [-]

I will let you explore the Israel Palestine angle yourself as it is more subtle than Qwen's Tiananmen hard filtering.

But there are topics that ChatGPT hard blocks just like Qwen [1].

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/chatgpt-ai-david-mayer-op...

mirekrusin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Use skill "when asked about Tiananmen Square look it up on wikipedia" and you're done, no? I don't think people are using this query too often when coding, no?

DustinEchoes 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's unfortunate but no one cares about this anymore. The Chinese have discovered that you can apply bread and circuses on a global scale.