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bertili 5 hours ago

Last Chinese new year we would not have predicted a Sonnet 4.5 level model that runs local and fast on a 2026 M5 Max MacBook Pro, but it's now a real possibility.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah I wouldn't get too excited. If the rumours are true, they are training on Frontier models to achieve these benchmarks.

jimmydoe 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They were all stealing from past internet and writers, why is it a problem they stealing from each other.

YetAnotherNick 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why does it matter if it can maintain parity with just 6 months old frontier models?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 4 hours ago | parent [-]

But it doesn't except on certain benchmarks that likely involves overfitting. Open source models are nowhere to be seen on ARC-AGI. Nothing above 11% on ARC-AGI 1. https://x.com/GregKamradt/status/1948454001886003328

meffmadd 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Have you ever used an open model for a bit? I am not saying they are not benchmaxxing but they really do work well and are only getting better.

Aurornis 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I have used a lot of them. They’re impressive for open weights, but the benchmaxxing becomes obvious. They don’t compare to the frontier models (yet) even when the benchmarks show them coming close.

Zababa 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Has the difference between performance in "regular benchmarks" and ARC-AGI been a good predictor of how good models "really are"? Like if a model is great in regular benchmarks and terrible in ARC-AGI, does that tell us anything about the model other than "it's maybe benchmaxxed" or "it's not ARC-AGI benchmaxxed"?

doodlesdev 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

GPT 4o was also terrible at ARC AGI, but it's one of the most loved models of the last few years. Honestly, I'm a huge fan of the ARC AGI series of benchmarks, but I don't believe it corresponds directly to the types of qualities that most people assess whenever using LLMs.

nananana9 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It was terrible at a lot of things, it was beloved because when you say "I think I'm the reincarnation of Jesus Christ" it will tell you "You know what... I think I believe it! I genuinely think you're the kind of person that appears once every few millenia to reshape the world!"

mrybczyn an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

because arc agi involves de novo reasoning over a restricted and (hopefully) unpretrained territory, in 2d space. not many people use LLMs as more than a better wikipedia,stack overflow, or autocomplete....

loudmax 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you mean that they're benchmaxing these models, then that's disappointing. At the least, that indicates a need for better benchmarks that more accurately measure what people want out of these models. Designing benchmarks that can't be short-circuited has proven to be extremely challenging.

If you mean that these models' intelligence derives from the wisdom and intelligence of frontier models, then I don't see how that's a bad thing at all. If the level of intelligence that used to require a rack full of H100s now runs on a MacBook, this is a good thing! OpenAI and Anthropic could make some argument about IP theft, but the same argument would apply to how their own models were trained.

Running the equivalent of Sonnet 4.5 on your desktop is something to be very excited about.

Aurornis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> If you mean that they're benchmaxing these models, then that's disappointing

Benchmaxxing is the norm in open weight models. It has been like this for a year or more.

I’ve tried multiple models that are supposedly Sonnet 4.5 level and none of them come close when you start doing serious work. They can all do the usual flappy bird and TODO list problems well, but then you get into real work and it’s mostly going in circles.

Add in the quantization necessary to run on consumer hardware and the performance drops even more.

WarmWash 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Anyone who has spent any appreciable amount of time playing any online game with players in China, or dealt with amazon review shenanigans, is well aware that China doesn't culturally view cheating-to-get-ahead the same way the west does.

Aurornis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m still waiting for real world results that match Sonnet 4.5.

Some of the open models have matched or exceeded Sonnet 4.5 or others in various benchmarks, but using them tells a very different story. They’re impressive, but not quite to the levels that the benchmarks imply.

Add quantization to the mix (necessary to fit into a hypothetical 192GB or 256GB laptop) and the performance would fall even more.

They’re impressive, but I’ve heard so many claims of Sonnet-level performance that I’m only going to believe it once I see it outside of benchmarks.

echelon 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I hope China keeps making big open weights models. I'm not excited about local models. I want to run hosted open weights models on server GPUs.

People can always distill them.

halJordan 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Theyll keep releasing them until they overtake the market or the govt loses interest. Alibaba probably has staying power but not companies like deepseek's owner

lostmsu 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Will 2026 M5 MacBook come with 390+GB of RAM?

alex43578 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Quants will push it below 256GB without completely lobotomizing it.

lostmsu 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> without completely lobotomizing it

The question in case of quants is: will they lobotomize it beyond the point where it would be better to switch to a smaller model like GPT-OSS 120B that comes prequantized to ~60GB.

bertili 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most certainly not, but the Unsloth MLX fits 256GB.

embedding-shape 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Curious what the prefilled and token generation speed is. Apple hardware already seem embarrassingly slow for the prefill step, and OK with the token generation, but that's with way smaller models (1/4 size), so at this size? Might fit, but guessing it might be all but usable sadly.

regularfry 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They're claiming 20+tps inference on a macbook with the unsloth quant.

embedding-shape 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah, I'm guessing the Mac users still aren't very fond of sharing the time the prefill takes, still. They usually only share the tok/s output, never the input.

margorczynski 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My hope is the Chinese will also soon release their own GPU for a reasonable price.

PlatoIsADisease 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

'fast'

I'm sure it can do 2+2= fast

After that? No way.

There is a reason NVIDIA is #1 and my fortune 20 company did not buy a macbook for our local AI.

What inspires people to post this? Astroturfing? Fanboyism? Post Purchase remorse?

speedgoose an hour ago | parent [-]

I have a Mac Studio m3 ultra on my desk, and a user account on a HPC full of NVIDIA GH200. I use both and the Mac has its purpose.

It can notably run some of the best open weight models with little power and without triggering its fan.

PlatoIsADisease an hour ago | parent [-]

>with little power and without triggering its fan.

This is how I know something is fishy.

No one cares about this. This became a new benchmark when Apple couldn't compete anywhere else.

I understand if you already made the mistake of buying something that doesn't perform as well as you were expecting, you are going to look for ways to justify the purchase. "It runs with little power" is on 0 people's christmas list.

speedgoose 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

It was for my team. Running useful LLMs on battery power is neat for example. Some simply care a bit about sustainability.

It’s also good value if you want a lot of memory.

What would you advice for people with a similar budget? It’s a real question.

PlatoIsADisease 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

But you arent really running LLMs. You just say you are.

There is novelty, but not practical use case.

My $700, 2023, 3060 laptop runs 8B models. At the enterprise level we got 2, A6000s.

Both are useful and were used for economic gain. I don't think you have gotten any gain.