GNU Pies – Program Invocation and Execution Supervisor

garciasn 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Almost 20 years ago now I worked for a company that sat a group of about 25 of us down to talk about their latest survey named...CRMPIES.

Everyone looked at me like I was insane as I sat there chuckling. Thank you for bringing back that unfortunate memory.

	▲	hsbauauvhabzb 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If you don’t think whoever named it that way wasn’t based, you’re almost as naive as your coworkers :P

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tete 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Everyone needs to have made a web framework. Everyone needs to have made a programming language. Everyone needs to have made a supervisor. Everyone has to have made a container manager. Everyone needs to have made a text editor.

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binaryturtle 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Absolutely. I recently wrote my first compiler to get it off the bucket list… brainf*ck compiler/interpreter #100010134 or such? :-) Well… it was a fun half hour.

	▲	wakawaka28 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Half an hour? Slacker!

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killerstorm 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's the value of making a supervisor? It seems to be mostly about gluing together some system APIs.

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trklausss 4 hours ago | parent [-]

In some industries it’s critical. Think about aerospace where code is almost always homegrown or done by specialized company, and are specific implementations for specific needs. You don’t have that many COTS due to the criticality etc.

	▲	wakawaka28 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		The thing about specific needs is that they are usually narrow. You could throw darts at the dartboard of problems, working on very narrow problems for years and never get a job solving any of them. If a problem calls out to you and you won't stop until you get a job with it, then the effort could be worth it. But sometimes, even if you get THE job, you'll have a slight twist in constraints that makes most of your prep go by the wayside.

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wakawaka28 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I disagree with all of this. If you have time and interest, or a real need, then go ahead. I've never met a programmer who's made all of these things in my 20 years of programming, and that includes PhDs, professors, and old graybeards about to retire.

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arjie 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One release every 4 years. So this is like monit or systemd-supervisord and so on, a process manager. I have to say the thing I most enjoy about it is the fact that it's got the classic GNU trend of "here's an obviously pronounceable spelling; let's say it a different way".

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stackghost 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The only thing missing is a recursive acronym e.g. Pies: Pies Is Experimental Software or something equally cringe like Hurd

	▲	stevekemp 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Pies is eshewing systemd?
	▲	calvinmorrison 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		how about "Active Development" without any progress in 3 decades

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mgaunard 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The area where I've seen the most homegrown implementations of things like these is HFT, with the caveat it's also designed to be distributed, integrated with isolation systems, start/stop dependency graphs...

I once worked for a company which chose to use Kubernetes instead, they regretted it.

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Alifatisk 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are the collection of components run in some kind of namespace? Say I run a Pies for Gitlab (which in itself had lots of components), and I run a Pies for Frpd, do they share the same space or are they isolated from each other? Am I maybe overthinking this? Perhaps its just a program manager.

	▲	bmacho 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think they both run as user. But you can put gitlab in a docker https://www.gnu.org.ua/software/pies/example.php?what=gitlab https://www.gnu.org.ua/software/pies/manual/Docker-Entrypoin...

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written-beyond 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is this the gnu version of systemd?

edit: I know it's not a monolith like systemd but service/unit files are a core component of systemd

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eliaspro 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

systemd is not a monolith.

It's a collection of losely coupled components and services of which basically every single one can be disabled or replaced by another implementation.

	▲	chlorion 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		No it definitely is a monolith. It's NOT loosely coupled in any way. Try running any part of the systemd software suite on an openrc system and see how that works out? I have no idea why people are so insistent on claiming that its not a monolith, when it ticks off every box of what a monolith is.
	▲	cyberax 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		In theory. In practice, systemd is a mess of different components that have subtle dependencies on each other. And while the core of systemd is solid enough, everything around it is not.
	▲	stackghost 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		It's a collection of tightly-coupled components that are functionally a monolith because large distros tend to rely on the various components rather than allowing modularity.

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bladeee 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

GNU Shepherd

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throw_a_grenade 5 hours ago | parent [-]

"Pies" means "dog" in Polish an Ukrainian (пес).

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fangorn 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So, "Gnu is Not Unix, Dawg"?

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otterley 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is that pronounced “peace” or “piss”?

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throw_a_grenade 5 hours ago | parent [-]

More like pi+[y]es, but single syllable and no y.

EDIT: Here are three audio files to hear: https://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/pies#pies_(j%C4%99zyk_polski)

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jagged-chisel 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As an American, I hear “pyes” - a single syllable “yes”, with a preceding “p.”

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otterley 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When do you use that vs собака (sobaka)?

	▲	throw_a_grenade 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I don't, I'm Polish. Can't say for sure for Ukrainians, don't know Ukrainian that well, but my reading of https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B... and https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81#Ukrainian suggests that пес must be male, but собака is either male or female. I might be wrong.

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KronisLV 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm reminded of this https://supervisord.org/

Used it inside of containers a few times when I wanted to keep things simple and have a container that ran both a web server and PHP-FPM at the same time and kept them up.

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relaxing 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> pronounced "p-yes"

Absolutely not.

Apologies to the Slavs, but there’s already a utility pronounced like that.

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gary17the 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good to hear that some people out there still have some old-school -style sense of humor.

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asa400 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you have to explain the pronunciation of the name of your tool in the first sentence, you've already lost.

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