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whateverboat 4 hours ago

Donations would already be a great thing. This law makes it feasible in boardrooms to justify donations. Donations to shelters, developing countries and otherwise.

Galanwe 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My wife worked for a cloth upcycling association (finding sustainable future for discarded clothes).

Reality is, there is just 10x more thrown out clothes in the west that any third world country on earth could need, same for shelters.

Associations distributing clothes to developing countries / shelters are filtering tightly what they accept.

In short, the vast majority of thrown out clothes in the west are just crapwear that not even the third world want. There are entire pipelines of filtering and sorting to only keep and distribute the good quality clothes.

jjkaczor 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That has already been happening for decades - and it isn't the "net benefit" most think it is - here is just one example - but there are dozens of similar articles that can be found:

https://www.udet.org/post/the-hidden-cost-of-generosity-how-...

saubeidl 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You can steer where donations go with regulations. I don't see any downsides of warm coats to homeless shelters for example.

jacquesm 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Man it would really make my day if all the homeless people started walking around in Prada and Gucci. That would probably be just thing to kill off these brands for good.

xp84 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How would we tell if the homeless started wearing Balenciaga though? Most of that trash already looks like it was lifted off the back of a homeless person (and one who is hard on his clothes)!

jjkaczor 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I think this was predicted in that "documentary"... hmmm, Zoolander... with the fashion-line "Derelicte"...

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blell 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why do you want those brands to die?

jjkaczor 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why do you want those brands to exist?

Some perspectives would say that they serve no real purpose other than performative wealth display and distribution. They appeal to everyone at fundamental psychological levels to "fit in" with a popular trend or "in group".

Their actual quality is often no better than other manufactured goods. It is their perceived quality and style that are the entire reason their brands exist.

(and... I can admit that certain "luxury brands" are definitely appealing to me personally, even if they make little "logical sense" to own - maybe not clothing so much, but... watches...)

blell 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The opposite of “Why do you want those brands to die?” is not “Why do you want those brands to exist?”.

ninalanyon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Perhaps not but in the context of this discussion and legislation it is pertinent question to ask, perhaps not of you specifically but of the wider audience.

digiown 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Brand value particularly for commodity products is usually just a form of information asymmetry between consumers and suppliers, and creates economic inefficiency since it diverts expenditure from other products that can materially improve lives. It also allows enshittification to happen since it creates inertia (brand loyalty) to switching, and the positive brand image sticks around for longer than the actual good quality products.

jjkaczor 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That is a slightly different scenario than taking cheap "fast fashion waste", compressing it into bales, shoving it into shipping containers, transporting/dumping it and flooding local countries/markets.

(And many of these large shipments do not end-up as donations by the time they get to their destination, but are actually sold by weight and then resold again)

But yes - distribution/logistics of donated goods needed to those who need them should be a "solved problem", but unfortunately it is not - regulations could help. (In countries/regions where governments actually WANT to regulate and then subsequently FOLLOW the regulations rather than cancel, ignore or throw them out entirely... Pretty sure everyone knows which country I am referring too...)

saubeidl 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I would hope that that will also be a policy area the EU addresses as part of this regulatory push.

kube-system 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Aren’t there already advantages to donating? I.e. Tax advantages, and a lack of disposal cost?

I think the reason that brands don’t want to donate is because they don’t want their brands to be associated with poor people.

KellyCriterion 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ive read some years ago that companies do not donate and destroy instead because of whatever wierd tax-regulation

smt88 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What developing country do you think has a clothing shortage?

saubeidl 4 hours ago | parent [-]

What about the poor in their own countries that might not be able to afford clothes?

ozgrakkurt 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

But then the prices might drop and the shareholders might lose value.

Rather have all people spend all of their money to the cent to buy clothes, to pay rent and to buy water tbh

WarmWash 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The shareholders losing value means that either all clothes drop to shein quality or they just stop making clothes.

anigbrowl 2 hours ago | parent [-]

OK. We were told creative destruction is good, if some companies exit the market and are replaced by others that offer better value then resources are being allocated more efficiently, no?

WarmWash 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

Just like other companies came along and offered a better Sears catalog when the internet killed their revenue?

People don't voluntarily lose money. Understand that and the world will way more understandable.

saubeidl 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If the shareholders are rich because the poor are not clothed then fuck the shareholders and the system that made them rich.

smt88 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Any name brand would rather send their unsold clothes to a landfill in India rather than allow their wealthy customers to see poor people wearing the clothes.

saubeidl an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Which is why you write regulations to ban that. Hence, this thread.

bluebarbet 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A perhaps inadvertent but nicely succinct indictment of capitalism.

philipallstar 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's very very easy to spend much less on clothes. Buying a new handbag every 6 months vs maintaining a bag for 20 years isn't that much different in terms of effort, but one is unbelievably more expensive.

cindyllm 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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seydor 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

donations are just an excuse to dump them on poor countries