| ▲ | LT6502: A 6502-based homebrew laptop(github.com) |
| 180 points by classichasclass 3 hours ago | 49 comments |
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| ▲ | deckar01 a minute ago | parent | next [-] |
| 3D printer beds have been getting bigger, but slicers don’t seem to account for curling as large prints cool. The problem is long linear runs on bottom infill and perimeters shrinking. I’ve been cutting my large parts into puzzle like shapes, but printing them fully assembled. This adds curved perimeters throughout the bottom layer, reducing the distance stress can travel before finding a seam to deform. That said, a retro laptop this thick would look really nice in stained wood. |
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| ▲ | vardump 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I sometimes wonder what the alternate reality where semiconductor advances ended in the eighties would look like. We might have had to manage with just a few MB of RAM and efficient ARM cores running at maybe 30 MHz or so. Would we still get web browsers? How about the rest of the digital transformation? One thing I do know for sure. LLMs would have been impossible. |
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| ▲ | cosmic_cheese an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | For me the interesting alternate reality is where CPUs got stuck in the 200-400mhz range for speed, but somehow continued to become more efficient. It’s kind of the ideal combination in some ways. It’s fast enough to competently run a nice desktop GUI, but not so fast that you can get overly fancy with it. Eventually you’d end up OSes that look like highly refined versions of System 7.6/Mac OS 8 or Windows 2000, which sounds lovely. | | |
| ▲ | rahkiin 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Given enough power and space efficiency you would start putting multiple cpus together for specialized tasks. Distributed computing could have looked differently |
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| ▲ | bluGill 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I remember using the web on 25mhz computers. It ran about as fast as it does today with a couple ghz. Our internet was a lot slower than as well. | | |
| ▲ | Aurornis 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > I remember using the web on 25mhz computers. It ran about as fast as it does today with a couple ghz. I know it’s a meme on HN to complain that modern websites are slow, but this is a perfect example of how completely distorted views of the past can get. No, browsing the web in the early 90s was slooow. Even simple web pages took a long time to load. As you said, internet connections were very slow too. I remember visiting pages with photos that would come with a warning about the size of the page, at which point I’d get up and go get a drink or take a break while it loaded. Then scrolling pages with images would feel like the computer was working hard. It’s silly to claim that 90s web browsers ran about as fast as they do today. | |
| ▲ | peterfirefly 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It crashed a lot more, the fonts (and screens) were uglier, and Javascript was a lot slower. The good thing was that there was very little Javascript. | | |
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| ▲ | alexisread 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Apart from transputers mentioned already, there’s https://greenarrays.com/home/documents/g144apps.php Both the hardware and the forth software. APIs in a B2B style would likely be much more prevalent, less advertising (yay!) and less money in the internet so more like the original internet I guess. GUIs like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SymbOS And
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_OS Show that we could have had quality desktops and mobile devices | |
| ▲ | kaashif 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think there's really a credible alternate reality where Moore's law just stops like that when it was in full swing. The ones that "could have happened" IMO are the transistor never being invented, or even mechanical computers becoming much more popular much earlier (there's a book about this alternate reality, The Difference Engine). I don't think transistors being invented was that certain to happen, we could've got better vacuum tubes, or maybe something else. | | |
| ▲ | jhbadger 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As someone has brought up, Transputers (an early parallel architecture) was a thing in the 1980s because people thought CPU speed was reaching a plateau. They were kind of right (which is why modern CPUs are multicore) but were a decade or so too early so transputers failed in the market. | |
| ▲ | vardump 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | When MC68030 (1986) was introduced, I remember reading how computers probably won't get much faster, because PCB signal integrity would not allow further improvements. People that time were not actually sure how long the improvements would go on. |
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| ▲ | romperstomper 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > One thing I do know for sure. LLMs would have been impossible. Maybe they could, as ASICs in some laboratories :) | |
| ▲ | PetahNZ 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | We did have web browsers, I had Internet Explorer on Windows 3.1, 33mhz 8mb RAM. | | |
| ▲ | phwbikm an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I still remember the Mosaic from NCSA. Internet in a box. | |
| ▲ | drzaiusx11 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Probably was "Windows 3.11, For Workgroups" as iirc Windows 3.1 didn't ship with a TCP/IP stack | | |
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| ▲ | JdeBP 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Transputers. Lots and lots and lots of transputers. (-: | | | |
| ▲ | vidarh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There are web browsers for 8-bits today, and there were web browsers for e.g. Amiga's with 68000 CPU's from 1979 back in the day. | |
| ▲ | myself248 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And imagine if telecom had topped out around ISDN somewhere, with perhaps OC-3 (155Mbps) for the bleeding-fastest network core links. We'd probably get MP3 but not video to any great or compelling degree. Mostly-text web, perhaps more gopher-like. Client-side stuff would have to be very compact, I wonder if NAPLPS would've taken off. Screen reader software would probably love that timeline. | | |
| ▲ | iberator 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | you are wrong. Windows 3.11 era used CPUs with like 33mhz cpu, and yet we had TONS of graphical applications. Including web browsers, Photoshop, CAD, Excel and instant messangers Only thing that killed web for old computers is JAVASCRIPT. | | |
| ▲ | vidarh an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't see how this contradicts any of what they said, unless they've edited their comment. You're right we had graphical apps, but we did also have very little video. CuSeeMe existed - video conferencing would've still been a thing, but with limited resolution due to bandwidth constraints. Video in general was an awful low res mess and would have remained so if most people were limited to ISDN speeds. While there were still images on the web, the amount of graphical flourishes were still heavily bandwidth limited. The bandwidth limit they proposed would be a big deal even if CPU speeds continued to increase (it could only mitigate so much with better compression). | |
| ▲ | cluckindan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not JavaScript. Facebook. | | |
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| ▲ | phwbikm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have a Hayes 9600kbps modem for web surfing. | |
| ▲ | rm30 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I remember when I went from 286 to 486dx2, the difference was impressive, able to run a lot of graphical applications smoothly. Ironically, now I'm using an ESP32-S3, 10x more powerful, just to run Iot devices. | |
| ▲ | drob518 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Depends how pervasive OC3 would have gotten. A 1080p video stream is only about 7 Mbps today. |
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| ▲ | dheera 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Would we still get web browsers? Yes, just that they would not run millions of lines of JavaScript for some social media tracking algorithm, newsletter signup, GDPR popup, newsletter popup, ad popup, etc. and you'd probably just be presented with the text only and at best a relevant static image or two. The web would be a place to get long-form information, sort of a massive e-book, not a battleground of corporations clamoring for 5 seconds of attention to make $0.05 off each of 500 million people's doom scrolling while on the toilet. Web browsers existed back then, the web in the days of NCSA Mosaic was basically exactly the above | |
| ▲ | intrasight 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well, we wouldn't have ads and tracking. | | |
| ▲ | vidarh an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Prodigy launched online ads from the 1980s. AOL as well. HotWired (Wired's first online venture) sold their first banner ads in 1994. DoubleClick was founded in 1995. Neither were limited to 90's hardware: Web browsers were available for machines like the Amiga, launched in 1985, and today you can find people who have made simple browsers run on 8-bit home computers like the C64. | |
| ▲ | peterfirefly 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If such an alternate reality has internet of any speed above "turtle in a mobility scooter" then there for sure would be ads and tracking. | |
| ▲ | p_ing an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The young WWW had garish flashing banner ads. |
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| ▲ | rustyhancock 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Stunning work! Astounding progress since its under 3 months old from PCB to this result. Funnily enough I've been musing this past month would I better separate work if I had a limited Amiga A1200 PC for anything other than work! This would nicely fit. Please do submit to HackaDay I'm sure they'd salivate over this and it's amazing when you have the creator in the comments. Even if just to explain no a 555 wouldn't quite achieve the same result. No not even a 556... |
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| ▲ | zahlman 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > 46K RAM Not 64? (Edit: I see part of the address space is reserved for ROM, but it still seems a bit wonky.) |
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| ▲ | guidoism 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Yes, I know I'm crazy, but Any time I see this phrase I know these are my people. |
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| ▲ | readme 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Crazy for wanting a computer that's actually yours. I believe there will come a day where people who can do this will be selling these on the black market for top dollar. |
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| ▲ | ted_dunning an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I love the super clunky retro esthetic! Takes me back to a time when a laptop would encourage the cat to share a couch because of the amount of heat it emitted. Amazingly quick as well. Pointless projects are so much better and more fun when they don't take forever! |
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| ▲ | ekaryotic 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| neat. not something i´d hanker for. i saw a 16 core z80 laptop years ago and i often think about it because it can multitask.
https://hackaday.com/2019/12/10/laptop-like-its-1979-with-a-... |
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| ▲ | nine_k 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I implemented "multitasking" (well, two-tasking) between a BASIC program and native code on a Z80, using a "supervisor" driven by hardware interrupts. There's just so much you can pack in a 4MHz CPU with a 4-bit ALU (yes, not 8-bit). It worked for soft-realtime tasks, but would be a rather weak desktop. |
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| ▲ | drob518 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Brilliant! I love it. Bonus points for using the eWoz monitor. It’s giving me the itch to build it. |
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| ▲ | louismerlin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Awesome! Gives me mnt pocket reform vibes. https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform |
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| ▲ | marcodiego 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe this can achieve RYF certification. What I really would love: modern (continously built) modern (less than 10 years old tech) devices ryf-cetified. |
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| ▲ | p0w3n3d an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wow. It's fresh as a rose! Congratulations! |
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| ▲ | detay 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| this post made me smile. why not!!! 6502 my first processor. <3 |
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| ▲ | drkrab 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Way cool! When can I buy one? |
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| ▲ | kayo_20211030 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Complete madness! But, I love it. |
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| ▲ | einpoklum 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And it mostly runs Microsoft software, too... Basic from 1977 :-P |
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| ▲ | analog8374 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It's commodore 64 ish. I like it |