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gpm 8 hours ago

I don't think we have a right to a business model. Either you figure one out for your particular site (selling access to the website, donations, etc) or you don't and stop and either is ok.

gchamonlive 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For Google, they figured out it's ads... So is it ok?

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Ostensibly not, if it is outlawed.

andsoitis 4 hours ago | parent [-]

But under what principle would you allow advertising, in general, online?

That seems like an arbitrary penalty. What harm is being prevented by banning advertising, in general?

Scarblac an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Allowing advertising quickly makes everything about getting more eyeballs and therefore more income from advertising. Users aren't the customer, they are the product.

That directly leads to all these addictive dark patterns.

Eisenstein 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

All human laws are arbitrary in the sense that they have no natural precedents. We made them up because they make society better when we have them. Sometimes they end up not doing that so we change them as needed. In this case, a lot of people think society would be improved if we created this one.

Matticus_Rex 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think we have rights to do lots of things that banning this business model would violate.

gpm 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I assume you're primarily referring to freedom of expression? I take the view that it doesn't include the freedom to pay people to carry a particular message so long as the restriction on paying is neutral as to the content of the message, but I can certainly respect the view that it does.

My comment about not having a right to business models is in some ways more general. Regardless of whether this business model is protected for some other reason, business models in general aren't, and it's a common flawed argument that they are.

kerkeslager 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Really? Name one.

Note, neither one of us is a corporation, so "we" doesn't refer to corporations.

nkmnz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tell this your local sports club that needs a new set of shirts.

kerkeslager 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I support government funding for things that keep the population exercising. It literally saves taxpayers money by driving down healthcare costs.

WarmWash 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Please, continue that "etc"...

Its been 30 years and no one has been able to continue that "etc".

gpm 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Of course they have. Off the top of my head examples include: Grants in the form of tax dollars (e.g. arxiv). To benefit the authors reputation (e.g. numerous scientists, developers, etc personal sites. zacklabe.com as a useful example). As a hobby (I think aiarena.net falls into this category). To collect data for research purposes (e.g. the original chatgpt release, and early recaptcha)...

raw_anon_1111 4 hours ago | parent [-]

What could possible go wrong with the government funding media? It’s not like they would take away funding for media that they don’t agree with.

thfuran an hour ago | parent | next [-]

PBS and BBC are both pretty well regarded and receive public funding.

Eisenstein 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why would a government elected in a democracy be less trustworthy than a few private individuals? Do heads of large corporations not have an interest in controlling information?

fooker 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That works great when everyone has resources to pay for things online.

In practice, this cuts of 80% of the worlds population.

Der_Einzige 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh you mean we can reverse the eternal September? Sign me up! Gatekeeping is good, actually! The “let people enjoy things” crowd is responsibility for facilitating the mass enshittification of everything.

Catering to the lowest common denominator is how we got the Burger King guy on spirit airlines.

fooker 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Why are you commenting here instead of a website that gatekeeps commenters?

johnnyanmac 5 hours ago | parent [-]

"You criticize society, yet you participate in it".

I have and do pay for website access. That doesn't mean much if the current model flocks to no paid services.