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andrewflnr 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They're in an impossible situation they created themselves and inflict on the rest of us. Forgive us if we don't shed any tears for them.

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bigyabai 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure - so is Google Chrome for abetting them with a browser, and Microsoft for not using their Windows spyware to call suicide hotline.

I don't empathize with any of these companies, but I don't trust them to solve mental health either.

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sonofhans 11 hours ago | parent [-]

False equivalence; a hammer and a chatbot are not the same. Browsers and operating systems are tools designed to facilitate actions, not to give mental health opinions on free-text inquiries. Once it starts writing suicide notes you don’t get to pretend it’s a hammer anymore.

	▲	andrewflnr 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think the distinction is a bit more subtle than "designed to facilitate actions", which you could argue also applies to an LLM. But a browser is a conduit for ideas from elsewhere or from its user. An LLM... well, kind of breaks the categorization of conduit vs originator, but that's sufficient to show the equivalence is false.

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sumeno 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The leaders of these LLM companies should be held criminally liable for their products in the same way that regular people would be if they did the same thing. We've got to stop throwing up our hands and shrugging when giant corporations are evil

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logicx24 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Regular people would not be held liable for this. It would be a dubious case even if a human helped another human to do this.

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longfacehorrace 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Regular people don't have global reach and influence over humanity's agency, attention, beliefs, politics and economics.

	▲	logicx24 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If Donald Trump did this, he wouldn't be criminally liable either.

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sumeno 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There have absolutely been cases of people being held criminally liable for encouraging someone to commit suicide.

In California it is a felony

> Any person who deliberately aids, advises, or encourages another to commit suicide is guilty of a felony.

https://california.public.law/codes/penal_code_section_401

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zahlman 11 hours ago | parent [-]

>>>> helped... write a suicide note.

> encouraging someone to commit suicide.

These are not the same thing. And the evidence from the article is that the bot was anything but encouraging of this plan, up until the end.

	▲	sumeno 10 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		That's for the jury to decide.
	▲	FireBeyond 11 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Very cherry picked. That would absolutely be "aiding" someone. "I don't want my family to worry about what's happening".

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lokar 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A therapist might face major consequences

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wiseowise 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Held criminally liable for what, exactly?

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wiseowise 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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