| ▲ | linuxdude314 12 hours ago |
| This sounds like a type of insanity. Why would anyone care about something like this to the degree they feel like expressing the opinion publicly let alone in a political regulatory body is beyond me. Whatever happened to freedom? |
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| ▲ | ktm5j 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Maybe you're not the type of person who's struggled with addiction, but it can do awful things to you. Yes, including being addicted to scrolling social media. It screws with your head to the point where you don't know how to live in the moment anymore. IMO it's a feature that's not valuable enough to justify the fact that it contributes to poor quality of life for people who can't put it down. |
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| ▲ | cyberrock 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What will stop the addicts from just installing a modified build? Will distributors of modified builds be subject to jail sentences like drug dealers? What about authors of auto-paginate scripts like Reddit Enhancement Suite, or the various HN client apps? | |
| ▲ | randomNumber7 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The first step to get on track in life is to stop blaming the outside for all problems. Yes some people had really bad luck but in the end you can only change yourself. | | |
| ▲ | MrScruff 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | I suspect there's not a huge amount of overlap between those who would like this banned and those who are targeted by it. | | |
| ▲ | randomNumber7 an hour ago | parent [-] | | There is likely no overlap between software engineers and the people with below average IQ that the EU tries to protect from themself. |
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| ▲ | memish 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Would you ban alcohol and video games and Netflix? | | |
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| ▲ | Rygian 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Why would anyone care about something like this ... Because it is a dangerous addiction [1] with recognised adverse effects on human health. Like sugar, tobacco, or drugs. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46959832 |
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| ▲ | rockskon 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | While I agree it's not a net positive, I find it dangerous to equate all addictions. | | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | He’s not equating all addictions beyond saying they are all addictions and should be treated as such. | | |
| ▲ | rockskon 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | But that's the problem - different substances require different solutions. You reduce sugar intake, not eliminate it. You eliminate cocaine intake, not just reduce it. Treating social media design as equal to something that can kill people in excess unnerves me. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Treating social media design as equal to something that can kill people in excess unnerves me. As it should, because there's a really obvious "slippery slope" argument right there. But… it can kill people. There is a certain fraction of the population who, for whatever reason, can be manipulated, to the point of becoming killers or of causing injury to themselves. Social media… actually, worse than that, all A/B testing everywhere, can stumble upon this even when it isn't trying to (I would like to believe that OpenAI's experience with 4o-induced psychosis was unintentional). When we know which tools can be used for manipulation, it's bad to keep allowing it to run unchecked. Unchecked, they are the tool of propagandists. But… I see that slippery slope, I know that any government which successfully argues itself the power to regulate this, even for good, is one bad election away from a dictatorship that will abuse the same reasoning and powers to evil ends. | | | |
| ▲ | xracy 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It looks to me like you're adding the conflation to "all addictions" because you can clearly distinguish between "sugar" and "cocaine" as both forms of addictions. Why would you not be willing to include "scrolling" as another form of addiction? Just because it's labeled the same way you yourself are demonstrating that we handle that in different ways. Social Media is being treated as "sugar" in this instance instead of as "cocaine". | |
| ▲ | lII1lIlI11ll an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a weird take. Sugar have been killing much more people historically than cocaine. |
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| ▲ | PlatoIsADisease 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Lets do the nanny state! (As I get older, unironically. I want my productive worker bees to be drug free, addiction free, enjoying simple pleasures that do not put me at risk. They pay Social Security. Everything is nice and safe. Freedom? Yeah no thanks, get to work and pay your taxes.) | | |
| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The thing is, why do you care? We like it this way. These companies are a cancer and they should be erradicated. You think that attacking these horrible companies is bad for our freedoms, we think our freedoms are fine with it. | |
| ▲ | pixl97 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean, lets do the opposite where a large corporation gets people intentionally addicted to drugs and then bilks them for every penny they have until they are husks. Remember, free market comes first! | |
| ▲ | rendx 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Thank you from talking about the Holy Freedom, my brother. Looking forward to enjoying further freedoms thanks to laws that protect me from behavior that makes me unfree and in need to constantly control me and my surroundings! |
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| ▲ | rendx 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Whatever happened to freedom? Freedom from, or freedom to? ‘Freedom does not consist in doing what we want, but in overcoming what we have for an open future; the existence of others defines my situation and is the condition of my freedom. They oppress me if they take me to prison, but they are not oppressing me if they prevent me from taking my neighbour to prison.’ -- Simone de Beauvoir
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| ▲ | happytoexplain 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >Why would anyone care about something like this to the degree they feel like expressing the opinion publicly Why would anyone publicly express any negative opinion about the effects of doomscrolling? I don't think I'm uncharitably paraphrasing, right? |
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| ▲ | Jon_Lowtek 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Social Media companies have actively and intentionally tried to make their products more addicting... now they have to face the very obvious consequences of that decision. |
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| ▲ | energy123 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because it impacts me, and I don't want it to impact me anymore? Not because I use these products, but because I have to live in a society with these people, and if they are unhappy and angry, that impacts me directly, through various second-order effects. |
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| ▲ | danny_codes 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We live in a society. We chose rules that we think will make society better. Freedom is meaningless without context. Freedom to doomscroll or freedom from doomscrolling. American propaganda really likes to divorce the concept from reality. |
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| ▲ | eviks 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nothing happened, just that the bureaucrats are slowly catching up with new technologies to make them as free as everything else |
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| ▲ | brikym 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People have less free will than we'd like to admit. I'd like to have freedom from outdoor advertising and online monopolies shoving short video formats down my throat. |
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| ▲ | sensanaty 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Out of curiosity, do you or have you ever worked for one of the FAANGs? |
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| ▲ | mytailorisrich 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We have great freedoms in Europe. We just need to apply in advance with our detailed plan, in three copies and the Commission will decide whether to deny our application or to deny it and fine us for unhealthy thoughts, too. Sarcasm now, but maybe what the near future will look like... More to the point: this is indeed a massive overreach with the Commission being the police, judge, jury, and executioner... what could go wrong? Exactly what we are seeing is taking shape, precedent by precedent. |
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| ▲ | solumunus 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why would someone care about a destructive addiction that's plaguing the lives of the majority of the planet, leading to mental health issues and proliferating massive levels of misinformation. I wonder. Freedom to be manipulated by algorithms, yay! |
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| ▲ | slopusila 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| it turns out that all those jokes about EU regulating the curvature of the cucumber were on to something |
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| ▲ | pixl97 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| >Whatever happened to freedom? Turns out it was a big lie you've told yourself so you can let the rich and powerful get away with atrocities. Hey, we all have free speech, it's just that I can buy a whole lot more of it than you can. |