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CGMthrowaway 3 hours ago

This is the critical bit (paraphrasing):

Humans have worked out the amplitudes for integer n up to n = 6 by hand, obtaining very complicated expressions, which correspond to a “Feynman diagram expansion” whose complexity grows superexponentially in n. But no one has been able to greatly reduce the complexity of these expressions, providing much simpler forms. And from these base cases, no one was then able to spot a pattern and posit a formula valid for all n. GPT did that.

Basically, they used GPT to refactor a formula and then generalize it for all n. Then verified it themselves.

I think this was all already figured out in 1986 though: https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.56... see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHV_amplitudes

godelski 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

  > I think this was all already figured out in 1986 though
They cite that paper in the third paragraph...

  Naively, the n-gluon scattering amplitude involves order n! terms. Famously, for the special case of MHV (maximally helicity violating) tree amplitudes, Parke and Taylor [11] gave a simple and beautiful, closed-form, single-term expression for all n.
It also seems to be a main talking point.

I think this is a prime example of where it is easy to think something is solved when looking at things from a high level but making an erroneous conclusion due to lack of domain expertise. Classic "Reviewer 2" move. Though I'm not a domain expert and so if there was no novelty over Parke and Taylor I'm pretty sure this will get thrashed in review.

CGMthrowaway 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You're right. Parke & Taylor showed the simplest nonzero amplitudes have two minus helicities while one-minus amplitudes vanish (generically). This paper claims that vanishing theorem has a loophole - a new hidden sector exists and one-minus amplitudes are secretly there, but distributional

rightbyte 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> simplest nonzero amplitudes have two minus helicities while one-minus amplitudes vanish

Sorry but I just have to point out how this field of maths read like Star Trek technobabble too me.

layer8 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Where do you think Star Trek got its technobabble from?

DonHopkins 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

Have I got a skill for you!

trekify/SKILL.md: https://github.com/SimHacker/moollm/blob/main/skills/trekify...

athrowaway3z 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn4fW0EInqw

nyc_data_geek1 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

So it's a garbage headline, from an AI vendor, trying to increase hype and froth around what they are selling, when in fact the "new result" has been a solved problem for almost 40 years? Am I getting that right?

singpolyma3 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

No

throwuxiytayq an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

you’re not, and you might have a slight reading comprehension problem

jrflowers 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

Surely you can explain it yourself, then? A person such as yourself with normal reading comprehension would be able to analyze and synthesize this on your own, without asking an LLM for help, no?

btown 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It bears repeating that modern LLMs are incredibly capable, and relentless, at solving problems that have a verification test suite. It seems like this problem did (at least for some finite subset of n)!

This result, by itself, does not generalize to open-ended problems, though, whether in business or in research in general. Discovering the specification to build is often the majority of the battle. LLMs aren't bad at this, per se, but they're nowhere near as reliably groundbreaking as they are on verifiable problems.

lupsasca an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That paper from the 80s (which is cited in the new one) is about "MHV amplitudes" with two negative-helicity gluons, so "double-minus amplitudes". The main significance of this new paper is to point out that "single-minus amplitudes" which had previously been thought to vanish are actually nontrivial. Moreover, GPT-5.2 Pro computed a simple formula for the single-minus amplitudes that is the analogue of the Parke-Taylor formula for the double-minus "MHV" amplitudes.

woeirua 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You should probably email the authors if you think that's true. I highly doubt they didn't do a literature search first though...

emp17344 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You should be more skeptical of marketing releases like this. This is an advertisement.

godelski 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They also reference Parke and Taylor. Several times...

suuuuuuuu 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Don't underestimate the willingness of physicists to skimp on literature review.

baq 2 hours ago | parent [-]

After last month’s Erdos problems handling by LLMs at this point everyone writing papers should be aware that literature checks are approximately free, even physicists.

ericmay 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Still pretty awesome though, if you ask me.

fsloth 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think even “non-intelligent” solver like Mathematica is cool - so hell yes, this is cool.

_aavaa_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Big difference between “derives new result” and “reproduces something likely in its training dataset”.

torginus 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not sure if GPTs ability goes beyond a formal math package's in this regard or its just its just way more convienient to ask ChatGPT rather than using these software.