American surveillance is one thing. All over Europe people install Chinese IP cameras mostly from paranoic and imaginary reasons. Camera literally facing neighbour's windows and doors and their neighbour's own camera. Nobody understands that it's economically impossible to sell IP camera with a mobile app and cloud storage of video for 150 EUR. Their business model is not simply selling cameras.

EDIT. I'm really confused how you concluded that this comment is anti European. Quit whatever drugs and social media if something like this is triggering your paranoia.

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omnifischer 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

All over Europe is generalisation. At least in France, Germany, Switzerland it is too much pain and paperwork to get any camera installed. If you are worried about chinese then seriously you cannot live.

	▲	cybrox an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You are technically correct but also very wrong. Yes, it is a lot of pain to get the paperwork done and you have a high chance of being rejected without a good reason. I know dozens of people who run cheap, chinese IP cams recording public spaces directly to dubious cloud services here in Switzerland. You just don't ask. Work related: We sell solutions including CCTV and video-intercom and we have only recently started providing customers with stickers they can use to make those installations comply with regulations. Technically, it has been the responsibility of the customer installing the device, so us doing this is just nudging people towards compliance because nobody cares. I can guarantee you that there are tens of thousands of cameras here filming public ground and it is not prosecuted. In fact, someone at the office put one up a long time ago for a PTZ demo (not recording) that was not compliant and it took almost 10 years until we got ordered to take it down. Most of these are not recording, only recording situationally or only locally. Still not legal technically. However, ever since cheap cloud-connected doorbells have become available, they have definitely been installed here. They do not comply with regulations whatsoever and next to nothing is done about it.
	▲	pjmlp 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		In theory, in practice you can get a random one bought from Temu, and unless some neighbour calls in the authorities, no one will know.

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notrealyme123 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Where is this comment coming from? Why Europe? Are those cameras not used in other places? Are they specifically made for Europe?

Are there sources?

Or is this just a fantasy story?

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pjmlp 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The usual anti-Europe narrative that is starting to be so common over here.

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herbst 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Weirdly yes. But why is formulated that you can tell it's an American writing text only an American could believe from the first words.

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lifestyleguru 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You have American voices in your paranoic brain.

EDIT. Jeez, once had such paranoic psycho as a neighbour in aparthotel in Germany. Boot it, Hans.

	▲	herbst 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Generalizing Europe this way is almost always American.

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zorked 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In this case, an anti-Europe and anti-China combo.

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lifestyleguru 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Are there sources?

> Or is this just a fantasy story?

People buy them from Ali, Temu, Allegro, eMAG and install all over the place. Simply freaking take a walk and look around.

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wiseowise 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Nobody understands that it's economically impossible to sell IP camera with a mobile app and cloud storage of video for 150 EUR.

Then maybe those cunts can sell a camera without cloud storage for once? Or the one that connects to local hub, like Chinese cameras do?