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dabinat 8 hours ago

> Following a comprehensive review, we determined the planned Flock Safety integration would require significantly more time and resources than anticipated.

That doesn’t sound like “we’re cancelling this because our customers let us know loud and clear that they were ethically against this”. If the only thing keeping them from doing this is time and money, what guarantee do we have that they won’t do it again if time and money allow?

idle_zealot 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You seem to be taking the company's words at face value and assuming good faith. I would caution against doing that.

SecretDreams 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Look, Amazon has our best interest at heart, alright? Surely they're not working on this still in the background.

riversflow 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Amazing how often people do that. Corporations have very little incentive to be truthful and often have good reason to be dishonest. I notice it particularly wrt video games, gamers are always taking studio’s messaging as gospel and not corporate comms.

ponector 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I see this all the time at work. Folks treat their relationship with employer like a personal relationship. Be loyal to company and it will be loyal to you. But everyone lies. Your managers will stab you in the back and throw to the ditch anytime they can gain something from it.

direwolf20 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And with Elon Musk! If he says we're going to Mars, then we're going to Mars. If he says full self driving next year, we're getting full self driving next year. He said that every year for 10 years? So what?

chmod775 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They're saying that because saying what they actually mean would paint flock in a negative light, which they likely want to avoid for various reasons.

stalfosknight 8 hours ago | parent [-]

So they'd rather lie in their press release.

ncallaway 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes.

That's...not unusual.

I would strongly to advise you to assume companies are extremely willing to lie in press releases.

hdgvhicv 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So they’re working around it and getting paid in another way (via a middleman) while still sending it to the stormtroopers

hackable_sand 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Right, but we have to call it out every time.

harrall 4 hours ago | parent [-]

What? This is basic human social skills.

It’s like when you don’t like someone’s friends but you’re not actually going to say that out loud. Instead you say “I'm just too tired to go out” — it’s a “diplomatic out.” Yes it’s a lie at face value but you leave people with their dignity while simultaneously signal your intent. Your friend, who presumably has social skills, picks up the subtext and you successfully communicate two layers of meaning with one sentence.

Press releases are the same thing.

latexr an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I’m sure this is also cultural, but that approach is terrible. Your friend can’t automatically guess you’re lying, not for the first few times, anyway. Of course they’ll believe you if you say you’re too tired to go out. Then they inadvertently catch you or you reject them so many times they start to believe you don’t want to go out with them, not the other friend. All the while they became closer with the other person, who actually did hang out with them.

Stop lying. You’re hurting the friendship. If you care about the person, eventually you’ll have to be an adult and explain why you’re not comfortable with the third person.

hackable_sand 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I say: "I don't like your friend because they are a neo-Nazi", and then I don't go out with them.

watwut 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, what you call "basic human social skills" is literally opposite of it. Having good social skills also involves saying "this person/institution is lying". Or even "this person/institution is harming people".

Having social skills means also being able to distinguish between innocent nicer phrase, outright enabling and being coconspirator.

ponector an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not a lie. It's called marketing information.

kelipso 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Huh so weird, companies never do that.

selcuka 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> companies never do that

You must be a company.

usea 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Press releases are lies by default.

adharmad 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Press releases are partly to create a paper trail and partly for the stock market.

bossyTeacher 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Saying bad stuff about their former business partner could get them sued.

catlifeonmars 3 hours ago | parent [-]

1. Anyone can sue anyone

2. saying false things (not bad things per se) could be expensive

ryandrake 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You really think someone would do that? Just write a press release and tell lies?

olyjohn 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes?

__s 6 hours ago | parent [-]

ryandrake is making reference to arrhur internet lies meme

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrZRJR4igQ

ryandrake 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I couldn't resist. It was a perfect setup.

riversflow 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes? Not like we can prove one way or the other.

kotaKat 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"The integration never launched, so no Ring customer videos were ever sent to Flock Safety"

Certainly sounds like "We have the integration and we successfully funneled test videos off of internal Ring cameras to Flock".

BrenBarn 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We would never have any guarantee of that no matter what they said.

nomercy400 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That also sounds like the client came with list of additional requirements.

The ethical part you mentioned is still true.