Yeah window management and the desktop experience in general on Mac just feels like I'm dragging my hands through tar.

For example, "open two file browsers, navigate to $home in one and $downloads in the other, move and rename a few files between them" is a 10 second task on Windows (Win+E x2, quick clicks on the explorer links, easy to scroll around, move files, drag, rename, anything you want). On Mac I get about 7 system ding sounds and Finder windows bugging off the side of my screen while simultaneously deciding the best way to show downloads in a list is alphabetically and with 256x256 tiled icons. It's just an indescribably bad and slow experience to do any kind of file management on Mac.

Another example. Take a screenshot and quickly redact some info with a black box. Easy on windows that I can type it out exactly (win+s, drag box, win key "paint" enter control v box tool save boom). On Mac?? After command shift 4 to take a screenshot I think it's actually physically impossible to edit it within 60 seconds.

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dagi3d 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

you can edit the image with preview any time you want

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sneak 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> After command shift 4 to take a screenshot I think it's actually physically impossible to edit it within 60 seconds.

This is completely incorrect, and the solution is way more discoverable than needing to know obscure things like Win+E. Click the thumbnail that appears in the bottom right, then click the marker icon.

> For example, "open two file browsers, navigate to $home in one and $downloads in the other, move and rename a few files between them" is a 10 second task on Windows (Win+E x2, quick clicks on the explorer links, easy to scroll around, move files, drag, rename, anything you want).

Similarly, if you know the platform-specific shortcuts, this is less than 10 seconds on macOS. Click finder in dock, hit Command-N twice for new windows, drag each window to one of the L/R edges of the screen to tile, click downloads in the sidebar on one, click the home icon/username in the sidebar on the other.

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noduerme 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The bottom right thumbnail thing really bugged me and confused me when it came out, because I always just want the screenshot on the desktop right away, as it used to be. I don't know why they couldn't have the delay/thumbnail AND put the file somewhere I could reach it immediately. But IIRC, there is some setting that disables the thumbnail behavior and lets the file be written instantly.

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baq 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Funny, I never want the screenshot saved to a file and I literally never look at the desktop. I either use ctrl to store the screenshot in the clipboard or want to use marker tools and then copy the clipboard. This new flow was an improvement to me.

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sefrost 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use a trackpad exclusively with MacOS. If I want it immediately on the desktop then I can just "swipe away" (to the right) the thumbnail and it skips the pause.

Not perfect but I do value being able to edit it from there, or right click and save to clipboard. So it works for me.

	▲	1e1a 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You can also just drag it to the right.

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asdff 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

For me I want it to hang around longer actually. I will take the screenshot I want, open up mail or messages or something to dump it there. Right as my mouse is hovered over it and a milisecond before I can click it, it jumps away. I've resorted to sometimes giving it a partial drag which resets the counter while I am still getting situated over to wherever the screenshot is going.

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ryukoposting 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> needing to know obscure things like Win+E

I'm sorry but this is a skill issue. This is the second hotkey you learn in Windows, after Win for start menu, and before win+left/right to snap windows to sides of the screen.

Regardless, the whole flow both of you are talking about can be done on Windows without ever touching the mouse. Win+E Win+E Win+Left Enter Alt+D "destdir" Enter Alt+Tab Alt+D "sourcedir" Enter (arrow to whatever you want) ctrl-X Alt+Tab ctrl-V.

I use Linux with i3wm at home, I haven't used Windows as my main OS in nearly a decade and I can still play out those keystrokes in my mind without thinking about it.

Now, win+E -> click folder -> alt+D -> "powershell" -> enter? That's power user shenanigans.

	▲	pmontra 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think that the only windows hotkey I know is Windows key to open the start menu. But I've been using Windows only 1994-2008, then Linux. I still connect to some Windows 10 / 11 machines of a customer to check processes and log files, but that doesn't matter. And I hate windows snapping. I disable it in GNOME at every new OS install. UIs must fit people preferences and any single person is different. Edit: of course I know Alt Tab too.

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FireBeyond 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> needing to know obscure things like Win+E

I haven't used Windows since the early days of 10 when I moved wholesale to Apple, but let's be really real - Apple users mocking "obscure shortcuts" in other OSes is throwing stones in a glass house:

Cmd+` to scroll through windows of the current app?

Cmd+Option+H to hide other apps?

Cmd+Shift+Ctrl+4 to clipboard copy a screenshot?

Quick, is Mission Control a three finger swipe up? Or down? Or is that Expose?

Cmd+space,Cmd+B to search web from Spotlight

Cmd+tab, release tab, press Q - quit app without switching to it

Cmd+tab, then down - Expose.