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onlyrealcuzzo 4 hours ago

Nvidia seems cooked.

Google is crushing them on inference. By TPUv9, they could be 4x more energy efficient and cheaper overall (even if Nvidia cuts their margins from 75% to 40%).

Cerebras will be substantially better for agentic workflows in terms of speed.

And if you don't care as much about speed and only cost and energy, Google will still crush Nvidia.

And Nvidia won't be cheaper for training new models either. The vast majority of chips will be used for inference by 2028 instead of training anyway.

Nvidia has no manufacturing reliability story. Anyone can buy TSMC's output.

Power is the bottleneck in the US (and everywhere besides China). By TPUv9 - Google is projected to be 4x more energy efficient. It's a no-brainer who you're going with starting with TPUv8 when Google lets you run on-prem.

These are GW scale data centers. You can't just build 4 large-scale nuclear power plants in a year in the US (or anywhere, even China). You can't just build 4 GW solar farms in a year in the US to power your less efficient data center. Maybe you could in China (if the economics were on your side, but they aren't). You sure as hell can't do it anywhere else (maybe India).

What am I missing? I don't understand how Nvidia could've been so far ahead and just let every part of the market slip away.

sailingparrot 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> let every part of the market slip away.

Which part of the market has slept away, exactly ? Everything you wrote is supposition and extrapolation. Nvidia has a chokehold on the entire market. All other players still exist in the small pockets that Nvidia doesn’t have enough production capacity to serve. And their dev ecosystem is still so far ahead of anyone else. Which providers gets chosen to equip a 100k chips data center goes so far beyond the raw chip power.

onlyrealcuzzo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Nvidia has a chokehold on the entire market.

You're obviously not looking at expected forward orders for 2026 and 2027.

louiereederson an hour ago | parent [-]

I think most estimates have Nvidia at more or less stable share of CoWoS capacity (around 60%), which is ~doubling in '26.

mnicky 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What am I missing?

Largest production capacity maybe?

Also, market demand will be so high that every player's chips will be sold out.

onlyrealcuzzo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Largest production capacity maybe?

Anyone can buy TSMC's output...

CamperBob2 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Which I'm sure is 100% reserved through at least 2030.

Keyframe 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can anyone buy TSMC though?

louiereederson an hour ago | parent [-]

No. TSMC will not take the risk on allocating capacity to just anyone given the opportunity cost.

wing-_-nuts 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Man I hope someone drinks Nvidia's milk shake. They need to get humbled back to the point where they're desperate to sell gpus to consumers again.

Only major road block is cuda...

whism 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I believe they licensed smth from groq

Handy-Man 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well they `acquired` groq for a reason.