That's beside the point? Gaining security by losing freedom was always on the table. What's interesting is the cultural shift toward not caring about losing freedom.

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janalsncm 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think it is the point: there is a balance between freedom and safety.

For example, it is illegal to carry a loaded handgun onto a plane. Most people would agree that is an acceptable trade of freedom for safety.

There are places with even less safety and more “freedom” than the US so people who take an absolutist view towards freedom also need to justify why the freedoms that the US does not grant are not valuable.

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toephu2 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Everything I want to do in public I can still do.

What "freedom" is lost? I gain security and lose no freedoms (unless you are doing something illegal).

When property crime is up 53%.. plenty of people are willing to lose "freedom" whatever you are referring to, in exchange for safety.

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yibg 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

How about just general privacy? I mean do you really want someone / the government to be able to track everywhere you go?

- Going to your girlfriends place while the wife is at work

- Visiting a naughty shop

- Going into various companies for interviews while employed

With mass surveillance there is the risk of mass data leak. Would you be comfortable with a camera following you around at all times when you're in public? I wouldn't be.

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svachalek 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The right to privacy, to not let the government have a master record of everywhere you've ever been and everything you've ever said just in case they decide to someday revoke free speech and due process, or decide it doesn't apply. Lately we have plenty of examples of how quickly that can happen.

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warkdarrior an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You were recorded smoking marijuana, an illegal drug at the federal level.

You were recorded walking into an abortion clinic, although face recognition identified as a resident of a state where abortion is illegal.

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janalsncm 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The solution is to change the laws, not to stop enforcing them. Otherwise this is basically just giving up on the concept of having laws.

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chasd00 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Well aren’t both of those things crimes? I’m not a fan of mass surveillance either but maybe pick a different example.

	▲	svachalek 19 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		The second is clearly not. State governments don't have jurisdiction over their residents when they are out of state.