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▲ csours 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Objection: facts not in evidence!

The problem with the current push on "illegal immigrants" is that

    1. It has been incredibly brutal 
    2. Many of the currently "illegal" immigrants were not illegal until their status was revoked by the current president.
    3. The question of your immigration status, under the current system, is decided without proper access to legal representation.

These problems are very much worth drawing a line in the sand over.

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Some people feel that the current push is solving a real problem in the real world.

Unfortunately, the real world is actually very complicated, and you can't flatten that complication without violence.

If that is hard to imagine, replace the ICE acronym with Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, Bureau of Land Management, or Internal Revenue Service.

	▲	swasheck 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		2a. Many of the "illegal" immigrants are, in fact, legal. 4. immigration status is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

▲ neogodless 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have documentation proving that I am, in fact, the Average American Citizen.

I am not fine with mass surveillance.

▲ _DeadFred_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because we decided the Constitution doesn't apply to a huge group of people living within the United States, and that seems wrong to those of us raised to believe the Constitution was important and the actual law of the land. It kind of doesn't work at all once we add a government decided 'subjective' layer on top of it. You could argue that already happened but this is the first most obvious in our faces instance.

▲ add-sub-mul-div 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because it's them finally becoming aware that abuses of surveillance are real and tangible and not cable news rhetoric.