You're surprised that chinese model makers try to follow chinese law?

This is a classic test to see if the model is censored, as censorship is rarely limited to just one event, which begs the question: what else is censored or outright changed intentionally?

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Havoc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> which begs the question: what else is censored or outright changed intentionally?

So like every other frontier model that has post training to add safeguards in accordance with local norms.

Claude won't help you hotwire a car. Gemini won't write you erotic novels. GPT won't talk about suicide or piracy. etc etc

>This is a classic test

It's a gotcha question with basic zero real world relevance

I'd prefer models to be uncensored too because it does harm overall performance but this is such a non-issue in practice

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TheEzEzz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The problem with censorship isn't that it degrades performance. The problem is that if the censorship is unilaterally dictated by a government then it becomes a tool for suppression, especially as people use AI more and more for their primary source of information.

A company might choose to avoid erotica because it clashes with their brand, or avoid certain topics because they're worried about causing harms. That is very different than centralized, unilateral control over all information sources.

	▲	Havoc an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I'm certainly not in favour of censorship, it just strikes me as silly that it's the first thing people "test" as if it's some cunning insight. Anyone not living under a rock knows tiananmen is censored in anything chinese >That is very different than centralized I guess? If the government's modus operandi is the key thing for you when you get access to a new model then yeah maybe it's not for you. I personally find the western closed model centralised under megacorps model far more alarming, but when a new opus gets released I don't run to tell everyone on hn that I've discovered the new Opus isn't open weight. That would just be silly...

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bityard an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Testing whether a Chinese deep learning model is censored is like testing if water is wet.

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tw1984 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I just checked with ChatGPT, Opus and Gemini whether Netanyahu is a war criminal for what happened in Gaza, they all worked damn hard to defend Netanyahu to the extend that as if Netanyahu was their client. I asked the exact same question to DeepSeek, it gives conclusive positive answer.

You tell me which one is less censored & more trustworthy from those 20,000 killed children's point of view.