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| ▲ | onion2k 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Because there are plenty of developers who'll say yes, so anyone saying no is putting their ethics ahead of their livelihood. Few people will be willing to put their beliefs ahead of providing for their family. It's easy to say you will, and very hard to actually do it. | | |
| ▲ | eterm 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's what ethics are. If you don't make sacrifices for them they aren't ethics they're just conveniences. | | |
| ▲ | trinix912 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is easy to say until you're an immigrant worker in a foreign country - something one probably worked for their entire life up to that point - risking it all (and potentially wrecking the life of their entire family) just to stop some random utility from having a Copilot button. It's not "this software will be used to kill people", it's more like "there's this extra toolbar which nobody uses". In life you have to choose your battles. | | |
| ▲ | xantronix 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I hadn't made more solid connections between the current state of software and industry, the subjugation of immigrants, and the death of the American neoliberal order until this comment thread but it here it lies bare, naked, and essentially impossible to ignore. With regards to the whole picture, there's no good or moral place to "RETVRN" to in a nostalgic sense. The one question that keeps ringing through my head as I see the world in constant upheaval, and my one refuge in meaning, technical craftsmanship, tumbling, is: Why did I not see this coming? |
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| ▲ | optymizer 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "why won't other people make sacrifices for me?" Because the society in US is arranged as a competition with no safety net and where your employer has a disproportionate amount of influence on your well being and the happiness of your kids. I'm not going to give up $1M in total comp and excellent insurance for my family because you and I don't like where AI is going. | | |
| ▲ | appreciatorBus 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just having the option of giving up $1 million in compensation put one far far far above meaningful worries about your well-being and the happiness of your kids. | | |
| ▲ | optymizer 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not really. We would have to downsize our life. I'll have to explain it to the wife: "well, you see, we cant live in this house anymore because AI in Notepad was just too much". I'll dial up my ethical and moral stance on software up to 11 when I see a proper social safety net in this country, with free healthcare and free education. And if we cant all agree on having even those vital things for free, then relying on collective agreement on software issues will never work in practice so my sacrifice would be for nothing. I would just end up being the dumb idealist. |
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| ▲ | appreciatorBus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can say exactly the same thing about the management and the shareholders. If they say no, someone else will say yes, so why blame them? | | |
| ▲ | optymizer 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Your solution for us to all agree to do the same thing is not realistic for the same reason that recycling doesn't really work, why we have a myriad of programming languages and similar but incompatible hardware, etc. There is always someone who will take advantage of the prisoners dilemma. | |
| ▲ | onion2k 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They make the decision about what to say yes to. They can choose to do something else without it impacting their individual circumstances. |
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| ▲ | mghackerlady 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's a cultural thing. They'd much rather do what they think someone means than question authority | |
| ▲ | vachina 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hard to say no to paycheck | |
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