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Nevermark 2 hours ago

People vote for people they don't agree with.

When there are only two choices, and infinite issues, voters only have two choices: Vote for someone you don't agree with less, or vote for someone you quite hilariously imagine agrees with you.

EDIT: Not being cynical about voters. But about the centralization of parties, in number and operationally, as a steep barrier for voter choice.

nandomrumber 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Combined with the quirk in Australia’s preferential voting system that enable a government to form despite 65% of voters having voted 1 for something else.

As a result, Australia tends to end up with governments formed by the runner up, because no one party actually ‘won’ as such.

albumen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Two options, not two choices. (Unless you have a proportional representation voting system like ireland, in which case you can vote for as many candidates as you like in descending order of preference)

Anyway, there’s a third option: spoil your vote. In the recent Irish presidential election, 13% of those polled afterwards said they spoiled their votes, due to a poor selection of candidates from which to choose.

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2025/1101/15415...

nandomrumber 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

Please don’t encourage people to waste their vote.

Encourage people to vote for the candidate they dislike the least, then try to work out ways to hold government accountable.

If you’re in Australia, at least listen to what people like Tony Abbott, the IPA, and Pauline Hanson are actually saying these days.

skissane 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s much more true for Nixon in 1968 than Morrison in 2019

Because the US has a “hard” two party system - third party candidates have very little hope, especially at the national level; voting for a third party is indistinguishable from staying home, as far as the outcome goes, with some rather occasional exceptions

But Australia is different - Australia has a “soft” two party system - two-and-a-half major parties (I say “and-a-half” because our centre-right is a semipermanent coalition of two parties, one representing rural/regional conservatives, the other more urban in its support base). But third parties and independents are a real political force in our parliament, and sometimes even determine the outcome of national elections

This is largely due to (1) we use what Americans call instant-runoff in our federal House of Representatives, and a variation on single-transferable vote in our federal Senate; (2) the parliamentary system-in which the executive is indirectly elected by the legislature-means the choice of executive is less of a simplistic binary, and coalition negotiations involving third party/independent legislators in the lower house can be decisive in determining that outcome in close elections; (3) twelve senators per a state, six elected at a time in an ordinary election, gives more opportunities for minor parties to get into our Senate - of course, 12 senators per a state is feasible when you only have six states (plus four more to represent our two self-governing territories), with 50 states it would produce 600 Senators

nandomrumber 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

And minor parties receive funding from the Australian Electoral Commission if they receive over certain percentage of votes.

It was 5% last time I cared to be informed by may be different now, and they would receive $x for each vote, or what ever it is now.

nandomrumber 10 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Also, there is nothing centre-right about Susan Ley.

She is the leftest left leaning leader of the Liberal party I’ve ever had the misfortune of having to live through.

She was absolutely on board with this recent Hitlerian “anti-hate” legislation that was rammed through with no public consultation.

Okay, that’s a bit uncharitable. We had 48 hours.