Yeah, and your point? ICE has already descended into detaining anyone, literally anyone, because they have quotas to meet. They seized a white Irishman last October who had a valid work permit and was just about to head to his green card interview.

This is Gestapo all over again.

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JuniperMesos 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That guy had been overstaying a tourist visa for something like 17 years, and only started the green card process in April 2025. I don't think people who have overstayed tourist visas for 17 years should be eligible for any kind of permanent residency in the US, and would support laws making it impossible for someone in his position to get a green card or a work permit.

The fact that he is a white Irishman is legally irrelevant and enforcing immigration law in a race-neutral way is pretty un-Gestapo-like behavior.

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deepsun an hour ago | parent [-]

Only because we made the "overstaying" an illegal offense. But there's no reason to -- if the guy was paying taxes the whole time, and never committed a serious crime, then we should be happy to welcome such guys, ramping up our GDP.

Don't forget that the paperwork costs a lot, if one has children, can get close to $10k.

Look at Spain -- instead of deporting "illegals", they just made them "legals" (those without a criminal record). Easy, problem solved.

	▲	direwolf20 34 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		America's a society built around finding people to punish and watching them get punished. I don't understand it, myself. It's like Roman gladiator fighting. But Americans seem to need to feel like they're hurting people who "deserve" it and they can't do that by convincing themselves nobody deserves to be hurt.

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reliabilityguy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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baconbrand 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I listed asylum seekers and visa holders in detention but they are definitely grabbing citizens too. Usually they do not hold them for very long.

This happened at the Target I shop at:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/ice-immigrat...

Two teenagers just doing their jobs, dogpiled by roughly four adult men, beaten up and released hours later. One of them was just dropped off at the Walmart down the street, the other they released at the federal building they’re working out of.

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reliabilityguy an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Usually they do not hold them for very long.

I am confused here. If the law grants ICE (or whatever is the umbrella agency that ICE operates under) the power to detain to determine legality of the status, ICE does it, and then releases people back, the law works as intended, no?

I am confused what is the difference between this, and police who can detain a “tall man in black short and red hat” and 10 hours later (or whenever) release back due to new information, or mistake in ID?

I understand that we absolutely have to strive to zero of such cases, but operations at scale (like law enforcement) have zero chance to have no mistakes.

	▲	abustamam 3 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Replace "tall man in black short and red hat who may have committed a violent crime" with "anyone who looks like they may speak Spanish even if no crime has been committed," even if they have a valid government ID card and we arrive at the problem with ICE.

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wahnfrieden an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There’s this case where a citizen was detained and they called his authentic RealID “fake”: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-d...

So even using valid papers on you is not enough. We’re beyond a “papers please” situation. It is up to their mood.

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baconbrand 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://youtu.be/e4X0hI40a8A

Just a handful of examples from last year. As a resident of Minneapolis I can assure you it is much, much worse than these few examples.

Are you not familiar with Liam Conejo Ramos? Or Kilmar Abrego Garcia? Just two other high profile cases, but this is far more prevalent than any reporting has outlined. Three of Liam’s classmates were also “mistakenly” shipped to Texas and returned. At least one of his classmates, a documented asylum seeker like the rest, is still in Dilley.

	▲	reliabilityguy an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I am not familiar with the first one, but the second one is not a clear cut and not “everyone”. Regardless, there is a huge gap between “literally everyone” and individuals who are not a slum dunk citizens, but have questionable status. Regardless, I think this kind of sensationalism desensitizes the public to the point when no one cares.

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michaelteter 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Probably referring to this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/seamus-cul...

	▲	reliabilityguy an hour ago \| parent [-]
		This guy had an order of removal, so he seems to be a valid person to detain and deport, no? Edit: the more I read about it, the more I am convinced he is not a "literally everyone" case. He was in the US for 20 years, and had no green card. He has work authorization, which means he probably got it as part of the i485 application to get a green card due to his marriage. Other publications report that he came to the US on a tourist waiver visa program, and overstayed. So, what was his status all these years? No wonder the trust in media is all time low -- this article did a sloppy job to paint a specific picture, and this picture has a bunch of holes in it.

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philipallstar 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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	▲	BugsJustFindMe 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> We lock up innocent people all the time, as the court system is imperfect. That doesn't make something the Gestapo. Correct. The methods, the scale, and the targets do. Refusing to ever show any identification or proof of orders at all when that definitionally makes them a secret police does. Repeatedly violating federal court orders does (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46965333). Repeatedly violating habeas corpus rights does. Assaulting people in the streets merely for witnessing does. Let us not forget that a woman was violently shoved backward to the ground while she was backing up in the lead-up to the killing of Alex Pretti, and the government's immediate response was repeated shameless lies and hiding or destroying evidence, just like they did with the killing of Renee Nicole Good, just like they did with the killing of Geraldo Lunas Campos, just like they did with Alberto Castañeda Mondragón, ... The list doesn't end. It's very weird of you to just ignore all of that.