| After you get frustreted having to use the terminal to make Ubuntu work, try Fedora. Ubuntu is outdated linux, it part of Debian-family, which goes by the misleading name 'stable'. Its not stable like a table. Its stable like software versions are frozen, despite bugs being fixed. Fedora isnt Arch, I think most Debian-family users don't realize they are unrelated. Fedora is just well maintained and generally up to date. |
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| ▲ | jszymborski 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I started using Linux desktops around 2012, and always used Debian-based distros (Mostly Debian, Ubunutu, and Mint). I switched to Fedora this year, and I've been super pleasantly surprised. There are some sharp edges (Mostly due to Wayland and Flatpaks), but I don't think I'll be going back to Debian any time soon. Things seem way more stable than on Ubuntu. | | |
| ▲ | SunshineTheCat 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's really interesting. A problem I've been having with Ubuntu is just quirky things with bluetooth devices and a monitor that doesn't always get recognized when waking the pc up from sleep. In your experience, does Fedora handle these better than Ubuntu? | | |
| ▲ | soperj 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I've been using Fedora since 2011, haven't had any monitor or bluetooth issues.
Originally had a wifi issue when I first got a Ryzen computer, but it was solved fairly easily and haven't had an issue since. The upgrade from 42 to 43 borked my local postgres, but it seems that they understand what their mistake was there. edit: I use it on a thinkpad, ymmv | |
| ▲ | PlatoIsADisease an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is literally why we suggest Fedora. Bluetooth sucks on Debian-family because the kernel is from 2024... Fedora's kernel is from 3 months ago. Anyway, enjoy Fedora. Fedora is so good, I won't call it Linux. | | |
| ▲ | shellwizard 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | There's always been backports in Debian if you needed more recent software than what is available on the stable branch |
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| ▲ | coffeebeqn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There are certainly a lot of great options. I tried Fedora, Mint and Cachy recently and for my machine and use cases it had the most issues. Mint and cachy basically work perfectly out of the box | |
| ▲ | scrollop 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I tried using Linux 5 years ago - too difficult to learn terminal commands to configfure everythiong. Tried again a few months ago and it's a breeze with an llm creating all the commands and code and troubleshooting. eg vibe coded a text transcriber similar to windows Voice Typing. | |
| ▲ | simion314 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Right, cause latest packages bring only latest features and bug fixes and never bring new bugs, do you ever wonder how those bugs that the latest packages fix get in ? I recommend for people that want things to not change and not get new bugs every update to use an LTS distro like Kubuntu and only get latest kernels or drivers from a PPA or upstream if you really have to. I am not running the latest KDE stuff and I feel fine, I am not suffering in pain for some cool new feature in Plasma and some new bug, I am comfortable with the existing features and existing bugs. | | |
| ▲ | beart 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I've tried debian variants many times over the years. However, my actual experience has been one of struggles with outdated software, knowing that the fix I need is just out of reach. Trying to pull in some of these fixes from a PPA often leads to a dependency mess. I'm sure I could deal with it better if I took the time, but I just want to do the thing I want to do. The other "reason" to use Debian is the supposed large user base and community support. But I've found more often than not that many of the solutions to my problems are outdated or don't work for whatever reason. Ironically, my best experience so far in that regard is an arch variant (CachyOS). That said, people shouldn't be afraid of experimenting to find the best software for their purposes, and something like Linux Mint is still a great option to recommend to people who are new to Linux. | | |
| ▲ | simion314 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | OK, but stop with bullshit that you get more stability because of new packages, you get latest features you read about or watched in some video but you also get the latest bugs, and to get fixes for this latest bugs you will upgrade again in a few months and you get the latest fixes and some new bugs. There are some valid usecases to use rolling or some bleeding edge distro, like if you want to contribute to KDE or similar project you would want to track latests library versions, but for doing say a web dev job and soem enterteminent an LTS distro works better, you do not upgrade and you have the surprise that GNOME removed yet some new feature you were using, or soem stuff in Plasma broke and now you get a ton of notifications about something not working, or maybe you did not read the Arch forums before upgrading and you had cool package Y that conflicts with cool package Z and now your system is unbootable and you need to fix it instead of doing your actual work. (Arch fans should first Google Arch upgrade briked my system before commenting that this never happened to them). Btw I used Arch in the past too when I had more free time and loved thinkering with my system. |
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| ▲ | htx80nerd 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | for 'rolling stable' openSuse is also worth mentioning | | |
| ▲ | init2null 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Just bear in mind that the OSS nvidia kernel module often causes breakages there with mismatched firmware. The entirely proprietary module or nv are fine. Tumbleweed is good for a mostly stable, clean KDE distro, but I wouldn't recommend it for gaming or codec integration. The first-class btrfs snapshots are probably my favorite feature. | |
| ▲ | pdimitar 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Does it come with the latest Linux kernel? | | |
| ▲ | tmtvl 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Depends whether you go with Tumbleweed, Slowroll, or Leap. I believe the Kernel Of The Day repository is only available for Tumbleweed. By 'latest' kernel you did mean bleeding edge nightly builds, right? | | |
| ▲ | pdimitar 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, I mean latest non-RC kernel (currently 6.18). I want to have VMs that are kind of like Arch but a little bit more stable, yet have very latest versions of everything I need with minimal risk (no need for the bleeding edge at all times; Manjaro does this semi-okay with its two weeks grace period). | | |
| ▲ | skydhash 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Latest also means latest bugs. So unless you’re waiting for some drivers for your hardware, I’m not sure that it’s really needed for general usage. | | |
| ▲ | pdimitar 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't need 100% of all software. Just a tiny fraction and they're modern tools that are heavily iterated on. Is it possible they have bugs? Very much so! But "stay on an older version to be safe" is not the panacea many try to pretend that it is. Way too many bugs and security vulnerabilities on old versions as well. | | |
| ▲ | skydhash an hour ago | parent [-] | | If you’re on debian, there’s the backports repository, And stable means stable in terms of feature. They still patches for bugs and security, and quite fast for the latter. |
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