Why not bare-cloud? Esp with AI... in 10min or less an agent can deploy almost any stack to an optimal AWS setup for a fraction of the cost of any platform.

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forsakenharmony 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

AWS is still expensive as fuck, just go for a VPS or dedicated server at that point

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ramoz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Every single mentioned service is either an AWS or GCP abstraction.

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ndneighbor an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Angelo from Railway here, Railway runs our own metal for the sheer reason to preserve margins so we can run for perpetuity.

We're nuts for studying failure at the company and Heroku's margins was one of the things we considered to be one of the many nails in that coffin. (RIP)

(my rant here: https://blog.railway.com/p/heroku-walked-railway-run)

	▲	ramoz 35 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		thanks for the correction

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shakna 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pretty sure Hetzner don't share infrastructure with either of those.

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prodigycorp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Wake me up when GCP allows you to spending limits

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PostOnce an hour ago | parent [-]

It is fucking CRAZY how many cloud companies don't let you set a spending limit.

I had to hunt around for a host in a suitable geography with a spending limit, almost had to go on-prem (which will happen eventually, but not in the startup phase)

Waking up to bankruptcy because of bots out of your control visiting your website seems a little nuts. Adding some other bullshit on top (like cloudflare) seems even more nuts.

Yeah I can manage all that and have the machine stop responding when it hits a spending limit -- but why would I pay for the cloud if I have to build out that infrastructure?

grumble.

	▲	miki123211 44 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		2 reasons basically. 1. Because people vote with their wallets and not their mouths, and most companies would rather have a cost accident (quickly refunded by AWS) rather than everything going down on a saturday and not getting back up until finance can figure out their stuff. 2. Because realtime cost control is hard. It's just easier to fire off events, store them somewhere, and then aggregate at end-of-day (if that). I strongly suspect that the way major clouds do billing is just not ready for answering the question of "how much did X spend over the last hour", and the people worried about this aren't the ones bringing the real revenue.

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butlike 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Try it out. Implementation is always harder than conjecture

	▲	ramoz 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I do. Every day, for at least 5 services.