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Hizonner 3 hours ago

> I'm not aware of any such thing, especially anything "indiscriminate".

You are wilfully unaware.

> For sure there are causalities when protests go from speech to violence or directly interfere with the ability of law enforcement to enforce the law.

The protests and other resistance to the crackdowns have been amazingly disciplined in maintaining nonviolence. Shockingly good at it.

Almost all of the violence that's actually happened has been both started and finished by ICE/CBP/etc.

Not to mention the fact that the structure of the operations, and the organizational culture in which they are conducted, are obviously intended, at a command level, to create conditions for violence on both (all?) sides. And, yes, Those In Charge are absolutely responsible for that.

When Noem, Bondi, Homan, Miller, Trump, and friends talk about "violent riots", "domestic terrorism", "ramming agents with cars", or whatever, they are lying. It's not a difference of interpretation. They are intentionally lying (except maybe Trump, who probably doesn't have enough of a sense of reality to be strictly lying). They have lots of allies who systematically spread their lies and add more. Don't believe anything they say unless you have personally seen and authenticated video. You have to authenticate it, because one of their favorite tricks is to use video of things that happened years ago, sometimes in other countries, and claim it's what their agents are reacting to. AI video isn't quite good enough yet, but they'll use that where they can. And of course they're also all about selective editing. And after all that they still ask you to ignore the evidence of your own eyes.

If you are failing to be skeptical of notorious baldfaced liars, that's motivated ignorance on your part.

> But your framing makes it sound like roving bands of beat down squads.

In Minneapolis, yes. But those squads are mostly aimed at intimidating anybody resisting the agenda, not at actual potential deportees.

The more on-topic problem is revoking every completely legal status in sight, and then acting as though the people whose status got revoked had done something wrong.

> If there was not a concerted effort to interfere with law enforcement or dox the people that work at those places, the masks would not be necessary.

You know, normal cops frequently deal with actual violent criminals who may be inclined to violent vengeance. But they don't wear masks.

ICE agents are just going to have to deal with the fact that, so long as they keep doing what they're doing, decent people who find out who they are are going to shun them. They might even get heckled on the streets. Comes with the territory. Does not justify trying to conceal your identity.