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samiv 2 hours ago

I just told my gardener to cut the grass and work on some flower installations.

I'm so excited about gardening again. Can't wait to do some. Employing a gardener to do my gardening for me is really making me enjoy gardening again!

jablongo a few seconds ago | parent | next [-]

I'm so excited about gardening now that I can tell my gardener to create an equivalent to the gardens at versailles for $5.

acoard an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think this works unironically. My mother is an avid gardener and can spend 8 hours a day gardening. When her life circumstances allowed for it, she hired a once a week gardener to do the tasks she didn't like (or had difficulties doing as a small woman), and still gardens the same amount. I've teased her for hiring a gardener, but she swears it's a huge help and boost to her gardening quality of life.

mosburger 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

this is a great analogy despite it possibly coming off as snark.

I think it's hard for some people to grasp that programmers are motivated by different things. Some are motivated by shipping products to users, others are motivated to make code that's a giant elegant cathedral, still others love glorious hacks to bend the machine into doing things it was never really intended to do. And I'm sure I'm missing a few other categories.

I think the "AI ain't so bad" crowd are the ones who get the most satisfaction out of shipping product to users as quickly as possible, and that's totally fine. But I really wish they'd allow those of us who don't fall into that category to grieve just a little bit. This future isn't what I signed up for.

It's one thing to design a garden and admire the results, but some people get into their "zen happy place" by pulling up weeds.

mrandish an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> people ... are motivated by different things.

I agree and would add that it's not just different people, it can be the same person in different modes. Sometimes I enjoying making the thing, other times I just want to enjoy having the thing.

mlaretallack an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with this, I put myself in the "glorious hacks to bend the machine into doing things it was never really intended to do" camp, so the end game is somthing cool, now I can do 3 cool things before lunch instead of 3 cool things a year

zzrrt 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

But, almost by definition of how LLMs work, if it’s that easy then someone else did it before and the AI is just copying their work for you. This doesn’t fit well with my idea of glorious hacks to bend the machine, personally. I don’t know, maybe it just breaks my self-delusion that I am special and make unique things. At least I get to discover for myself what is possible and how, and hold a sliver of hope that I did something new. Maybe at least my journey there was unique, whereas everyone using an AI basically has the same journey and same destination (modulo random seed I guess.)

quietsegfault 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your grieving doesn’t have to shit all over my personal enjoyment and contentment. Me enjoying the use of AI in developing software doesn’t take anything away from your ability to grieve or dislike it. I’m not asking you to be excited, I’m asking you not to frame my enjoyment as naive, harmful, or lesser.

Your feelings are yours, mine are mine, and they can coexist just fine. The problem only shows up when your grief turns into value judgments about the people who feel differently.

newswasboring an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Having opencode doesn't preclude me from making elegant code. It just takes away the carpel tunnel.

grayhatter 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

> I created this with some kind of genai

To me, it just feels like plagiarism. Can you explain why it doesn't feel like plagiarism to you?

quietsegfault 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

Plagiarism is claiming someone else’s specific work as your own. Using a generative tool is closer to using a compiler, an IDE, or a library. I’m not copying a person’s code or submitting someone else’s project with the name filed off. I’m directing a system, reviewing the output, editing it, and taking responsibility for the result.

If I paste in a blog post verbatim and pretend I wrote it, that’s plagiarism. If I use a tool to generate a starting point and shape it into what I need, that’s just a different kind of authorship.

mixologic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

*I'm so excited about landscape design. Can't wait to do more. Employing a gardener to do the gardening for me is really making me enjoy landscape design again!

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small_model an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The proper analogy would be you can now remove all weeds with the swipe of your hand and cut all your hedges with another swipe, you still are gardening you can do it quicker and therefore explore different possibilities.

dave_sid 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No you didn’t. You lead a team of gardeners to develop your grand vision. Or you directed an epic movie leading a cast of talented actors bringing your vision to life. You can choose an empowering analogy or a negative one it’s your choice.

alexgarden 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah... a team of gardeners who might, with no warning, decide to burn down your house to create some extra fertilizer for the rose garden. Sometimes I wonder...

dirkc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh, the joy that awaits you when you come back home to discover how the gardener interpreted "please trim the hedge by the gate a little".

quietsegfault 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I used to be big into amateur radio. When I was considering to build a tower, I would have paid someone to build the tower for me and do the climbing work to mount stuff on the tower. Your statement is nonsensical, because it assumes that there is a binary choice between "do everything yourself" and "delegate everything".

whattheheckheck an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Imagine though instead of 1 garden you can make 10 or 30 gardens in the same time that are more extravagant than your 1 garden was. At any point in time you can dive back in 1 of them and start plucking away

grayhatter 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

Surely you have 10-30 examples you want to share?

Or even just 1 or 2?

moffkalast 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well it's more like employing a gardener makes me enjoy landscaping again. It's not like we ever found writing words on a keyboard all that great, it's fundamentally just about having an idea and turning it into something real.

zeroonetwothree an hour ago | parent [-]

Speak for yourself. I have always loved the act of intentionally typing (converting my thoughts into structured text).

moffkalast 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

I guess some people enjoy the process, but you can still do that.

It's like with machinists and 3D printers, you can always spend 10 hours on the lathe to make something but most of the time it's more practical to just get the part so one can get on with what actually needs doing.

chasd00 a few seconds ago | parent [-]

> It's like with machinists and 3D printers

that's a good analogy, maybe change 3d printers to CNC. I think there's a group of people that derive joy and satisfaction from using the part they designed and there's another that gets satisfaction from producing the part as designed. Same for software, some people are thrilled because they can make produce the software they want while others dread not writing the software people want.

CamperBob2 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As mosburger says, this is a great analogy. Do you think that the great artists paint, sculpt, and draw everything by hand, by themselves? Of course not... they never did, and they don't today. You're being offered the ability to join their ranks.

It's your studio now. You have a staff of apprentices standing by, eager for instructions and commands. And you act like it's the worst thing that ever happened to you.

draebek an hour ago | parent [-]

Is this sarcasm? I can't tell.

CamperBob2 an hour ago | parent [-]

No, it's not.

If you want things to stay the same forever, you shouldn't go into technology, art, or gardening. Try plumbing, masonry, or religion.

zeroonetwothree an hour ago | parent [-]

The truth is that you wouldn’t be saying that if the change had been in a direction you don’t like.

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