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esseph 4 hours ago

> Also there like 20 competing ways to install packages now. Used to just be apt

This is very incorrect. There's been far more for 35+ years

* apt/.deb

* yum(dnf)/.rpm

* Tarballs

* Ports trees

* Flatpak

* Snap

* Etc, etc, etc

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morshu9001 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Flatpak and Snap are new to me, and that's the annoyance. Like I get if there's some technical advantage to a snap, but apt can install snaps too. Also idk what .appimage is.

rpm was a thing that existed but wasn't a Mint way of installing. Tar, yes. I can see why you'd consider a tar a package, but I was thinking of things actually designed for packages, and tar isn't really an extra thing to learn and deal with. Port tree, idk never heard of that.

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esseph 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Flatpak and Snap are new to me and that's the annoyance.

These were designed to solve different problems.

PS - Just avoid snap. Fuck snap. All my homies hate snap.

Flatpak otoh is software basically delivered in a container with some security restrictions. It works great, but you may want a GUI problem called "flatseal" to enable access to certain parts of the host filesystem, device access, etc depending on specifics of what the particular application is supposed to do. That's a bit of a security boundary (good).

Flatpak does solve several big issues with the minor and only occasional need to use flatseal to enable access to say something in /proc /dev etc

Snap happened in 2014

Flatpak in 2015

So you've got about 10 years of catch-up ;)

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morshu9001 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not really obligated to catch up on that. I'll try Linux again if they ever sort these things out, until then Mac is a fine dev/personal machine.

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plagiarist 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are you sure that's okay? It has App Store, .pkg, drag-to-install, homebrew, MacPorts, and who knows what else!

	▲	morshu9001 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		MacPorts vs Homebrew is actually my biggest gripe with Mac dev, but at least it doesn't get in the way of installing basic software. Regular stuff is always intuitive and ends up with a .app. Even lots of dev stuff is just a .pkg you download, macports/homebrew is for niches.

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esseph 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I'll try Linux again if they ever sort these things out

You don't understand. This won't be "sorted out", this is a feature.

Maybe it's just not for you, and that's ok.

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morshu9001 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You said it yourself, "fuck snap." But Snap is the default for a bunch of things. There's probably someone else saying "fuck flatpak." The user doesn't win this way, it's not a feature.

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eikenberry 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Snaps are a Canonical thing and is only used by default on Ubuntu and distro's based on Ubuntu. No other distro uses or recommends them.

	▲	morshu9001 25 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Those are the popular distros though. Switch to something else and you trade 1 problem for 10.