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| ▲ | StilesCrisis 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I joined Google Analytics in 2018 and had no idea that Analytics really meant "Tracking and Remarketing" until about 3 weeks into the role. At that point, what're you going to do, quit? I knew it wasn't what I wanted to do, but it took two years to get out cleanly. | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > At that point, what're you going to do, quit? Yes? Why not? If I'd join a company and figured out what I did actually harmed more than helped, I'd leave that place, absolutely. I'm a software engineer, even with the lowest possible position in a random company I'd earn better than most people in the country and live a better life, even just the bottom 30% of earners in software in the country (not counting outsourcing obviously). Especially at that time it was very easy to find new jobs. | | |
| ▲ | StilesCrisis 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Good for you. I've got a family and no other source of income. | | |
| ▲ | freejazz 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | So why pretend like you wouldn't have taken the job in the first place? | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You think Google is the single company out there who is willing to employ you? How come? Edit: Thinking about it, your comment actually made me more frustrated than I realized. I've been poor enough to having to be homeless at some points in my life, and yes, I've worked for immoral companies too, because I need food and shelter. But once you move up in life to the comfy jobs like software engineering, you don't have any excuse anymore that it's just about "feeding your family" when you literally have a sea of jobs available. It might be an excuse you tell yourself to justify your reasoning for getting paid more, but if you truly did care about it, you'd make a different choice, and still be able to feed your family, and I'm almost confident your family would be OK with you making that choice too, unless they also lack the empathy you seem to be missing. | | |
| ▲ | optymizer 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You were homeless and didn't have a choice, so now obviously you're qualified to give assurances that essentially, "it is unlikely that your family will starve", right? /s And if you're wrong, and shit hits the fan for whatever reason, who's going to fix that? You? No, he's going to have to fix that, because nobody else is going to step in. It's easy to tell others that it's going to be OK, but put your money where your mouth is. Put $1M in a fund that he can access should he no longer be able to find employment. Then he'll have absolute certainty that it's going to be OK. Something tells me you're not going to do that. Something tells me that what you would do if shit hits the fan, is you're going to tell him that he should find solace in the fact that while he's working for 1/5th of his former total comp, putting in more hours at the same time, seeing his kids less, not putting his kids through private school to give them the best chance at the best education, that, at least, some kid out there isn't watching 6-7 videos on the tablet that their parents use to do less parenting. | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > You were homeless and didn't have a choice, so now obviously you're qualified to give assurances that essentially, "it is unlikely that your family will starve", right? /s Yes, again the context is software engineering, the floor of what we earn as software engineers is above what other careers has as their maximum, and if you've been a developer since 2018 (almost ten years of experience) you're not having a tough time finding a new job, especially if you were at Google. People get comfortable with their new living standards, that's natural. But they said they were able to get out, just took time, I'm guessing that's about vesting something, not because it's hard to find new opportunities. |
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| ▲ | danny_codes 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That’s how capitalism sustains itself. It requires the bulk of labor to be on the brink of bankruptcy. |
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| ▲ | post-it 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sure, but you could say that about anything. If you're American, then your labour is paying for concentration camps no matter where you work. In a company of 100k+ people, responsibility is diluted. | |
| ▲ | elevatortrim 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The problem is, between producing cigarettes, weapons, disposable fashion, sugary food and drink, disposable vapes, extremely wasteful cars, addicting game mechanics, many of the financial "product"s, ad optimisation, ..., not everyone can avoid immoral but legal work whilst trying to exist in this economy. | | |
| ▲ | blibble 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > not everyone can avoid immoral but legal work whilst trying to exist in this economy let's be honest everyone working as a software engineer at facebook is perfectly capable of finding employment elsewhere working there is a deliberate decision to prioritise comp over the stability of the world | | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > not everyone can avoid immoral but legal work whilst trying to exist in this economy We're talking about software engineers here, not "cleaner taking up any job you can". Literally one of the most well paid jobs considering the amount of effort you put into it. People slave away on fields picking berries for less, with more impact on their life expectancy, if there is any career you can almost jump between jobs in just a few weeks, software engineering is one of them. |
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