Yeah, why would I feel embarrassed over either of those things? I get angry when I see nazi propaganda, feel hopeless sometimes when I see racist caricatures, but never "embarrassed", that wouldn't make much sense. What would I be embarrassed about exactly?

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badhorseman 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Indeed if ones own race is not being denigrated one would not feel embarrassed, although one may be embarrassed that racist material was created by their people. If ones own race is being denigrated then one may indeed feel embarrassment and perhaps also the anger and hopelessness. As for why exactly embarrassment if the purpose is to degrade by pointing some reason why the author holds your people in contempt and you are indeed hopeless as to stop it, shame and embarrassment is often what is felt.

In another post you talked about people getting mad at the image without context What context are we missing exactly. I do not feel ill informed or angry. But I could indeed be missing something, can you explain the context? If you where to say it's because of the LLM adding more context then that could be plausible, but why the medieval and hemp-rope? I know how sensitive the western companies have been on their models getting rid of negative racial stereo-types, going as far as to avoid and modify certain training data, would you accept an LLM producing negative stereotypes or tending to put one particular racial group into a submissive situation then others?

I really do feel like the idea that the LLM would just take the prompt A human male being ridden by a horse to include all those other details and go straight for a darker, somber tone and expression and a dynamic of domination and submission rather then a more humorous description, unlikely.

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embedding-shape 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> although one may be embarrassed that racist material was created by their people

Why? I don't see that. Are black people embarrassed if a black person commits a crime, yet not embarrassed if a white person commits a crime? That sounds very contrived to me and not at all how things work in reality.

> If ones own race is being denigrated then one may indeed feel embarrassment

I also don't understand this. Why would every white person feel any sort of embarrassment over images denigrating white people? Feel hate, anger or lots of other emotions, that'd make sense. But I still don't understand why "embarrassment" or shame is even on the table, embarrassment over what exactly? That there are racists?

	▲	badhorseman 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Your posts this thread have been seemingly in bad faith and have taken rather blatant non-sequiturs made. The post by 'goga-piven' said that the pictures where embarrassing not actually one should feel shame and embarrassment. His meaning I believe is that the image is meant to embarrass a people and humiliate them or just portray them contemptibly that is to me clearly his meaning of 'embarrassing image'. My comment was to try and highlight this is the point of various racist depictions and that if one is powerless then indeed this can become an embarrassing shame. Maybe it's the case that you do not see it that way, but in any kind of bondage that a group of people are subject to, shame, embarrassment will follow along with many other feelings. I was not say a white person should be embarrassed and I don't think 'goga-piven' was. rather they could be manifestations of contempt or other hostile emotions on the authors part. >Why? I don't see that. Are black people embarrassed if a black person commits a crime, yet not embarrassed if a white person commits a crime? That sounds very contrived to me and not at all how things work in reality. I did not make a point about black people being embarrassed at black people committing a crime, I was more thinking the kind of collective guilt some German people speak of for Nazism, I made not prescriptive claims on the shame or embarrassment only that these are ways that people do behave. > I also don't understand this. Why would every white person feel any sort of embarrassment over images denigrating white people? Feel hate, anger or lots of other emotions, that'd make sense. But I still don't understand why "embarrassment" or shame is even on the table, embarrassment over what exactly? That there are racists? You have subtly changed your position hear to one where it's not an absurdity to feel an emotional response to an image that denigrates your people. of-course this was not the most pressing issue, the more important one would be the intent of the image. seemed to ignore that part entirely even though that is the main question. you made claims of missing context in other threads I made some preemptive counter arguments. Do tell me a more plausible context, if the one I provided is incorrect.