> 2012, Australian psychologist Gina Perry investigated Milgram's data and writings and concluded that Milgram had manipulated the results, and that there was a "troubling mismatch between (published) descriptions of the experiment and evidence of what actually transpired." She wrote that "only half of the people who undertook the experiment fully believed it was real and of those, 66% disobeyed the experimenter".[29][30] She described her findings as "an unexpected outcome" that

Its unlikely Milligram played am unbiased role in, if not the sirext cause of the results.

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lores 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Milgram was flawed, sure. However, you can look at videos of ICE agents being surprised that their community think they're evil and doing evil, when they think they're just law enforcement. There was not even a need for coercion there, only story-telling.

	▲	fao_ 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Incorrect. ICE is built off the background of 30-50 years of propaganda against "immigrants", most of it completely untrue. The same is done for "benefits scroungers", despite the evidence being that welfare fraud only accounts for approximately 1-5% of the cost of administering state welfare, and state welfare would be about 50%+ cheaper to administer if it was a UBI rather than being means-tested. In fact, much of the measures that are implemented with the excuse of "we need to stop benefits scroungers", such as testing if someone is disabled enough to work or not, etc. are simulatenously ineffective and make up most of the cost. Nevertheless, "benefits scroungers" has entered the zeitgeist in the UK (and the US) because of this propaganda. The same is true for propaganda against people who have migrated to the UK/US. Many have done so as asylum seekers under horrifying circumstances, and many die in the journey. However, instead of empathy, the media greets them with distaste and horror — dehumanising them in a fundamentally racist way, specifically so that a movement that grants them rights as a workforce never takes off, so that companies can employ them for zero-hour contracts to do work in conditions that are subhuman, and pay them substantially less than minimum wage (It's incredibly beneficial for the economy, unfortunately).

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IanCal 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What you have quoted says a third of people who thought it was real didn’t disobey the experimenter when they thought they were delivering dangerous and lethal electric shocks to a human. Is that correct?

	▲	cwizou 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Maybe there was an edit but it's the opposite, 66% disobeyed.

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funkyfiddler369 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Enough of the people participating in any kind of social stuff lie whether they think it's real or not.

Social science aka sociology doesn't exist. It's all make believe, sabotage and (psychological) extortion and blackmail--aka peer pressure, within the constraints of the context and how the individuals project that context into the real world (or are convinced by others of a certain projection for some amount of time).

Sociology and psychology are situational assessments and measurements. All soft sciences are. They are not even sciences in isolated contexts. They are collections of methods that can be turned to dust by "a better", more fun, "more logical" argument, which is impossible to debate rationally.

Not lying for the sake of science is often enough disregarded even by scientists, which aligns perfectly with what you describe.