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bofadeez 14 hours ago

Ask any SOTA AI this question: "Two fathers and two sons sum to how many people?" and then tell me if you still think they can replace anything at all.

TuxSH 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you force it to use chain-of-thought: "Two fathers and two sons sum to how many people? Enumerate all the sets of solutions"

"Assuming the group consists only of “the two fathers and the two sons” (i.e., every person in the group is counted as a father and/or a son), the total number of distinct people can only be 3 or 4.

Reason: you are taking the union of a set of 2 fathers and a set of 2 sons. The union size is 2+2−overlap, so it is 4 if there’s no overlap and 3 if exactly one person is both a father and a son. (It cannot be 2 in any ordinary family tree.)"

Here it clearly states its assumption (finite set of people that excludes non-mentioned people, etc.)

https://chatgpt.com/share/698b39c9-2ad0-8003-8023-4fd6b00966...

topaz0 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Every father is a son to somebody...

curious_af 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What answer do you expect here? There's four people referenced in the sentence. There's more implied because of Mothers, but if you're including transient dependencies, where do we stop?

ketzu 8 hours ago | parent [-]

It can also be 3 people, as one person can be a father and a son at the same time. If you allow non-mentioned people to be included in the attribute (i.e. the sons of the fathers are not part of the 2) it could also be 2 people, as long as they are fathers.

ghostly_s 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just did. It gave me two correct answers. (And it's a bad riddle anyway.)

harry8 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

GPT-5 mini:

Three people — a grandfather, his son, and his grandson. The grandfather and the son are the two fathers; the son and the grandson are the two sons.

Mordisquitos 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Is the grandfather nobody's son?

Der_Einzige 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is undefined. Without more information you don’t know the exact number of people.

Riddle me this, why didn’t you do a better riddle?

mjevans 13 hours ago | parent [-]

No, but you can establish limits, like the total set of possible solutions.

only2people 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Any number between 2 and 4 is valid, so it's a really poor test, the machine cna never be wrong. Heck, maybe even 1 if we're talking someone schizophrenic. I got to wonder which answer YOU wanted to hear. Are you Jekyl or Hide?

kvirani 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I put it into AI and TIL about "gotcha arguments" and eristics and went down a rabbit hole. Thanks for this!

plagiarist 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"SOTA AI, to cross this bridge you must answer my questions three."