I'm a firm believer that almost nothing except public services needs that kind of uptime... We've introduced ridiculous amounts of complexity to our infra to achieve this and we've contributed to the increasing costs of both services and development itself (the barrier of entry for current juniors is insane compared to what I've had to deal with in my early 20s).

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nosman 7 hours ago | parent [-]

What do you mean by public services?

All kinds of companies lose millions of dollars of revenue per day if not hour if their sites are not stable.... apple, amazon, google, Shopify, uber, etc etc.

Those companies have decided the extra complexity is worth the reliability.

Even if you're operating a tech company that doesn't need to have that kind of uptime, your developers probably need those services to be productive, and you don't want them just sitting there either.

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amonith 3 hours ago | parent [-]

By public services I mean only important things like healthcare, law enforcement, fire department. Definitely not stores and food delivery. You can wait an hour or even a couple of hours for that.

> Those companies have decided the extra complexity is worth the reliability.

Companies always want more money and yes it makes sense economically. I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just saying that nobody needs this. I grew up in a world where this wasn't a thing and no, life wasn't worse at all.

	▲	zinodaur 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Eh, if I'm paying someone to host my git webui, and they are as shitty about it as github has been recently, I'd rather pay someone else to host it or go back to hosting it myself. It is not absolutely required, but it's a differentiating feature I'm happy to pay for