This euphoria quickly turns into disappointment once you finish scaffolding and actually start the development/refinement phase and claude/codex starts shitting all over the code and you have to babysit it 100% of the time.

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HumanOstrich 16 hours ago | parent [-]

That's a different problem and not really relevant to OpenClaw. Also, your issue is primarily a skills issue (your skills) if you're using one of the latest models on Claude Code or Codex.

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snowe2010 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You have to be joking. I tried Codex for several hours and it has to be one of the worst models I’ve seen. It was extremely fast at spitting out the worst broken code possible. Claude is fine, but what they said is completely correct. At a certain point, no matter what model you use, llms cannot write good working code. This usually occurs after they’ve written thousands of lines of relatively decent code. Then the project gets large enough that if they touch one thing they break ten others.

	▲	HumanOstrich 14 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I beg to differ, and so do a lot of other people. But if you're locked into this mindset, I can't help you. Also, Codex isn't a model, so you don't even understand the basics. And you spent "several hours" on it? I wish I could pick up useful skills by flailing around for a few hours. You'll need to put more effort into learning how to use CLI agents effectively. Start with understanding what Codex is, what models it has available, and which one is the most recent and most capable for your usage.

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nurettin 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, I will not be berated by an ostrich!