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ChicagoDave 3 hours ago

Fog, heavy rain, heavy snow, people running between cars or from an obstructed view…

None of these technologies can ever be 100%, so we’re basically accepting a level of needless death.

Musk has even shrugged off FSD related deaths as, “progress”.

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smallmancontrov 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Humans: 70 deaths in 7 billion miles

FSD: 2 deaths in 7 billion miles

Looks like FSD saves lives by a margin so fat it can probably survive most statistical games.

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elgenie an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Isn't there a great deal of gaming going on with the car disengaging FSD milliseconds before crashing? Voila, no "full" "self" driving accident; just another human failing [*]!

[*] Failing to solve the impossible situation FSD dropped them into, that is.

	▲	smallmancontrov an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Nope. NHTSA's criteria for reporting is active-within-30-seconds. https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-orde... If there's gamesmanship going on, I'd expect the antifan site linked below to have different numbers, but it agrees with the 2 deaths figure for FSD.

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hn_acc1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is that the official Tesla stat? I've heard of way more Tesla fatalities than that..

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simondotau 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

There are a sizeable number of deaths associated with the abuse of Tesla’s adaptive cruise control with lane cantering (publicly marketed as “autopilot”). Such features are commonplace on many new cars and it is unclear whether Tesla is an outlier, because no one is interested in obsessively researching cruise control abuse among other brands.

There are two deaths associated with FSD.

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ChicagoDave 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is absolutely a Musk defender. FSD and Tesla related deaths are much higher.

https://www.tesladeaths.com/index-amp.html

	▲	smallmancontrov an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Autopilot is the shitty lane assist. FSD is the SOTA neural net. Your link agrees with me: > 2 fatalities involving the use of FSD

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Fricken an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't know what he's on about. Here's a better list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_Autopilot_crashe...

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smallmancontrov an hour ago | parent [-]

Autopilot is the shitty lane assist. FSD is the SOTA neural net.

Your link agrees with me:

> two that NHTSA's Office of Defect Investigations determined as happening during the engagement of Full Self-Driving (FSD) after 2022.

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