| ▲ | moron4hire 3 hours ago |
| I don't know, does new housing or municipal services get built in anyone's literal backyard? So it's not Your or My Backyard, really. NIMBYism has always been about nosy people obstructing progress. |
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| ▲ | nine_k 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Casting shadow on their backyard. Bringing noise to their street. Ultimately, lowering the value of their property. The key problem of US housing is that a house is seen as an investment vehicle, which should appreciate, or at least appreciate no slower than inflation. Keeping prices high and rising can't but go hand in hand with keeping supply scarce. |
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| ▲ | estearum 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's actually land that appreciates, which is why we should have a high land value tax and eliminate this extremely awful incentive. | |
| ▲ | alistairSH 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ultimately, lowering the value of their property. Is this regularly true? IME, in Northern VA, land values have always increased with infill development. Thinking specifically of Arlington in the Courthouse/Ballston/Clarendon strip in the 90s and 00s. And now Reston. Traffic and noise concerns might be legitimate, but I'm not buying the loss of value argument. | |
| ▲ | triceratops 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If there's enough demand to build denser housing near your house, and that's allowed, your land is automatically worth more. | | |
| ▲ | nine_k 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is it always true? More than once I heard fears about undesirables moving in, crime rate growing, the neighborhood "losing its character" that commands the high prices, etc. The resistance is real at some places. |
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| ▲ | triceratops 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It should really be called NIYBY-ism. Literal NIMBY-ism, where the backyard is one's own property, is just straightforward property rights. They want to control other people's property and tell them what they can and can't do with it. That's basically communism. |
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| ▲ | baggy_trough 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It's actually about people not wanting the largest investment of their life to change in ways they don't like. |
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| ▲ | alistairSH 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Two comments about this...
- "Housing as investment" might not be the best policy
- Side effect of above, people have strong incentive to ignore all the negative externalities caused by that policy (ie, sprawl and lots of car mileage when society would better with more compact towns) | |
| ▲ | yardie 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Trying to find the amendment in the bill of rights that guarantees your investment will go up. Can you point it out to me? | | |
| ▲ | volkercraig 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Trying to find the amendment where you aren't allowed to advocate for your own interests. | | |
| ▲ | iamnothere 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You’re allowed to advocate for your own interests, but there are limits to what you’re actually allowed to accomplish with that advocacy. At least in the US. You can’t just pass laws to confiscate the wealth of your political opponents, for instance. You can advocate for it (free speech), you just can’t do it. |
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| ▲ | baggy_trough 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why should I? I said nothing about my investment going up. |
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| ▲ | AlexandrB 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "House as investment" is a terrible outcome of the North American housing market. | |
| ▲ | only-one1701 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | “I invested a lot of money in something and my ROI is literally more important than anything else.” | | |
| ▲ | baggy_trough 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think the ROI criticism is generally off the mark. Most homeowners that resist rezoning, etc. are concerned about quality of life issues rather than home values (although those are aligned if significantly lower quality of life reduces home values). For example, the idea that I'd benefit if my area was upzoned because I could sell my home/land for much more doesn't appeal to me at all. I don't want to sell my home, and I don't want the neighborhood to change around me in a way that I would eventually want to. | | | |
| ▲ | volkercraig 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ok, and? |
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