I know we're not supposed to talk about it, but what in the world is happening to this site? Mistaking 'Antifa' for 'the concept of opposing fascism' is not the kind of failure mode I expect here. And this kind of thing has become endemic lately- emotive noise and sarcastic dunks drowning out substance in every thread, especially since the beginning of December. Or am I just imagining this?

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wat10000 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

What is Antifa, then?

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GuinansEyebrows 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Mistaking 'Antifa' for 'the concept of opposing fascism'

that's literally what it means in theory and in practice

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ToValueFunfetti 3 hours ago | parent [-]

'The concept of opposing fascism' doesn't mean anything in practice. You have to implement practice around it, you can't just literally do a concept!

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otikik an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Fighting fascist is the primary way to oppose them. The fighting bit often requires violence. That's what it takes, because it involves fighting a group of people that are not a peaceful bunch and have very violent intentions.

	▲	ToValueFunfetti 22 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, exactly my point. And once you are picking targets and taking violent actions, you can no longer excuse your aim and your violence by saying your heart is in the right place. Antifa has, for many decades, done wrong actions with good intentions. You can oppose them without being fascist.

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GuinansEyebrows 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

you say that as if people are not actively physically opposing fascism in deed in the united states right now!

	▲	ToValueFunfetti an hour ago \| parent [-]
		By physically opposing fascism, I assume you mean they are taking specific practical actions rather than becoming one with the platonic concept of opposition to fascism. It may seem an obvious or insignificant point, but it is critical here. If they physically oppose fascism by following and filming ICE, I'm very much on board. If they oppose it by molotoving innocent local government buildings, I am against. If both of these actions are the concept of opposing fascism, what does it mean to be against that? Antifa are belligerants. They undermine protests by having the maturity to die for a cause but not to live for one. One can be against that without being fascist.