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paxys 2 hours ago

It isn't even just about money. It's more apparent than ever that freedom, democracy, justice, human rights in this country are increasily reserved for those with the right political alignments.

overfeed 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The messed up thing is that despite what they think, these dudes will not thrive in the chaotic world they are trying to bring forth.

tavavex 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

Why not? They hold all the cards and have aligned one of the most powerful governments in the world with them, while wielding enough money to make almost any nation, let alone individual, more inclined toward doing what they need. They will only become more powerful.

jackyinger 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Authoritarian regimes don’t run on facts. They run on the primacy of Authority. Cameras record factual information. Facts are inconvenient for Authority. You know, 1984 Department of Truth style.

plagiarist 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They will have the AI just make a video of you doing whatever they feel like accusing you of and publish that from a .gov website.

kevin_thibedeau 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When you control the cameras you can memory hole any inconvenient truths.

PunchyHamster 9 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

well if you never read about how any of those work you might think that.

In reality they are very much interested in facts, because they give them info who to oppress harder

plastic-enjoyer 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, that if, the most powerful government stays intact. But as it turns out, tech CEOs want to dissolve the nation state and its government to implement their vision of a utopia. The same nation state, the same government that protect their interests and assets, and make lawfare possible in the first place.

tavavex 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

I know about these plans, but even if they end up happening to their fullest extent, I don't see why people are so unanimously predicting that they'll definitely fumble the bag. By the time this can happen, they will almost certainly have the most advanced weaponry available and enormous groups of people working on defending them. Again, they can buy anything. In their dream world, power descends directly from them, making their governments obsolete. The direct power of the governments isn't just erased, it'll transition into their hands.

xnyan 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cards can always be taken with violence. Chaos is progression to a state of all versus all, where the most important thing is having the biggest wrench: https://xkcd.com/538/.

tavavex 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

And they will almost certainly have the biggest wrench. Before you consider the sheer difficulty of making mass violence happen (especially in a world where tech can be used to regulate a sufficient portion of people's worldviews as required), at some point they'll probably just have the upper hand militarily. As military tech gets better, wealth will be able to shift directly into physical power, amplifying their abilities against a comparatively powerless populace.

mothballed 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes the rich have "all the cards" but the thing about societal reorganization is things get completely flip-flopped and the fact society recognizes you as owning a mansion and a screw factory today doesn't mean that they won't recognize Castro's lieutenant as controlling it tomorrow.

Possessions that are "yours" are only yours insofar as you can either defend it or others recognize it as yours. Thus you end up with situations like "Barbeque" in Haiti owning the streets and much of the rich's land/assets are now magically in the hands of barbeque or his crew and whatever money that one thought they could use to resist that turned out to not be their money anymore. The "rich" thus still hold all the cards but who is rich and who isn't isn't the same as when it started.

quickthrowman 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Why not? We have examples from history to look at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_So...

> Nikolai Ivanovich Yezhov (Russian: Николай Иванович Ежов, IPA: [nʲɪkɐˈlaj ɪˈvanəvʲɪtɕ (j)ɪˈʐof]; 1 May 1895 – 4 February 1940), also spelt Ezhov, was a Soviet secret police official under Joseph Stalin who was head of the NKVD from 1936 to 1938, at the height of the Great Purge. Yezhov organized mass arrests, torture, and executions during the Great Purge, but he fell out of favour with Stalin and was arrested, subsequently admitting in a confession to a range of anti-Soviet activity including "unfounded arrests" during the Purge. He was executed in 1940 along with others who were blamed for the Purge.

This guy was head of the secret police, didn’t help him out when he was purged aka murdered.

therobots927 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s not so much about political alignment as much as it’s about your bank account.

rchaud 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Apple has more cash reserves on hand than most countries do and yet its CEO had to scramble to stand behind Trump during the inauguration and offer a million-dollar tribute to stay in his good graces. Power > money.

jlarocco 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

And worst of all he had to watch "Melania"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_(film)#Release

estearum 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not really.