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| ▲ | throwfaraway135 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The last time I looked illegal immigration is still illegal. I don't see people protesting en masse to take Clinton, Trump, Gates etc. accountable. Maxwell Ghislaine is alive and well, and they can't get a incrementing confession. But somehow people loose their shit when some MS-13 gang members get arrested. | | |
| ▲ | direwolf20 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | MS–13 is running amok in Minneapolis, but they call themselves ICE. You say they're ICE, but I don't see any way to tell the difference. | |
| ▲ | _DeadFred_ an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Illegal immigration enforcement/code is civil, not criminal. If it was criminal, enforcement would require giving suspected offenders actual Article III judge hearings pre-every deporations, not use immigration court, etc. You know, rights. If you lot want to change it to criminal, go for it. But don't lie. People lose their shit when the Constitution is violated. When civil norms are violated in evil ways. When people following the legal process with pending applications before the Government get punished/unfair enforcement against them because grannies in the government system are easier targets than tracking down actual MS-13 gang members. When law enforcement hides their identity and act like a secret police force ABOVE civilian oversite (again against the Supreme Court saying civilians have a right to monitor police actions and against American norms of... not having secret police). | | |
| ▲ | throwfaraway135 an hour ago | parent [-] | | My argument is not about the legality, but selectivity of the outrage. Somehow if it's politically beneficial there are a ton of people outraged, and in other times like the pedophile scandal of the century, with a lot of powerful people in it, no one seams to really care. | | |
| ▲ | mothballed an hour ago | parent [-] | | You don't get MS-13 in the kind of operations that the populace have been protesting. If people are showing up with whistles and megaphones you have lost the element of surprise by such a long-shot what you are basically are getting are people who have to be there to wait for their kids to get back from school, or are sticking around because they need to go to their regular doctor appointment. If they were getting gang members the protests would be useless because tactically they would be in and out every time before anyone could protest their operations. | | |
| ▲ | throwfaraway135 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Look, this is tangential, for what is worth I don't agree with a lot of what ICE is doing. My argument is that if you have two injustices A and B with severity of lets say 50/100 and 90/100. And injustice A is being globally protested, but injustice B is ignored, then your fight is not for justice, then you are being used as a political tool. | | |
| ▲ | mothballed 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Or you are seizing your moment to temporarily ally with your enemies on a 50/100 topic when the 90/100 topic doesn't have the moment you need. I generally despise the politics of most people protesting DHS/ICE but I find them to be useful idiots on this particular topic so I'm happy to form a tenuous agreement with them. |
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