| ▲ | riazrizvi 14 hours ago |
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| ▲ | prophesi 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Not OP, but I think the way ICE enforces immigration in the USA has a lot of issues. The bar is too low for people granted the right to utilize lethal force to join, they aren't revoked of the same civilian rights to privacy we give to public enforcers of the law, aren't required to wear bodycams because of their reliance in hiring more people before they can abide by what the law requires, and so on. |
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| ▲ | intermerda 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What an incredibly shitty comment which is wrong on so many levels. You are the type of person who believes that Oskar Schindler should have been shot to death for breaking the "law" rather than being celebrated. |
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| ▲ | jacquesm 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'll be happy to bet he has no idea who that is and why supporting the Nazi's as long as they're doing your bidding is a bad idea. |
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| ▲ | trhway 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| ICE doesn't follow the law. It breaks it. Its main mode of operation is fish-net-style catching brown people on the streets and making them sign voluntary deportation. That allows to bypass any court orders and any requirements of the law (like hearing, lawyer, etc). Edit: to the commenter below: >I care because my children are approaching the workforce and I want their opportunities to open up to them do you really want your children to work in strawberry fields in CA in 100+ degrees weather? That is the opportunities which mostly get open when you remove the migrants, legal or illegal, that ICE is targeting. |
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| ▲ | riazrizvi 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm a brown immigrant, the process to get into the US legally was long. I trust US institutions to have good intent, but like all institutions they fail at times. The mandate is to remove 25 million illegal migrants. I reject the hostile posture that people are taking based on negatively biased information, which in my view, further reassures me they are acting in Americans' best interest. I care because my children are approaching the workforce and I want their opportunities to open up to them, unlike I've witnessed in the tech industry where unscrupulous businesses have happily replaced American workers with labor that is desperate. You can't convince me that the negative bias toward ICE isn't in large part, funded and astroturfed by elements in the business lobby that don't care about unemployed citizens and residents, and further drafted by those who have jobs so can afford to not care. | | |
| ▲ | jacquesm 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Do you honestly believe that when they're done with the illegal immigrants they're not going to come for the 'brown people in general'? | | | |
| ▲ | creatonez 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Deporting 25 million people using a terrorist militia is mass ethnic cleansing. Period. Has nothing to do with the job market, it is a basic historical reality. | |
| ▲ | danek_szy 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you want job opportunities to open up to your children, perhaps you should invest in parenting that teaches them good values (like hard work and good attitude), education and sense of agency in place of hoping some government agency will kidnap and deport enough immigrants (many of which are legal, like you btw) for market to offer enough demand for them.
The above point about „quality” of jobs „taken” by the immigrants is also very valid… | | |
| ▲ | riazrizvi 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | You believe jobs are being taken and handed to deserving illegal immigrants because they have a better work ethic. I believe they are because investors are seeking ever greater returns no matter the cost to other others or even the long term sustainability of those very returns. This is the basis of our different positions. | | |
| ▲ | direwolf20 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you believe investors are ruining the country, why do you want to deport millions of immigrants instead of investors? | | |
| ▲ | riazrizvi 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Because the rules of this land are the end result of waves of developments, over millennia, hard won through the observation of the cause and effect of policy on societies. I trust the effectiveness of American law on the basis of the success of the American Experiment. This very success is the draw that led me to leave my homeland and family and come here. So I'll go with American Law and legal system, rather than follow some reactionary duct-taped law some guy commenting on the internet says we should do. | | |
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| ▲ | saubeidl 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Enforcing racial purity laws is abuse? Why are you impeding the Gestapo, a federal law enforcement agency? Why do you hate law and order, dirty anarchist? |
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| ▲ | jacquesm 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | These are sad and dangerous times, you really should append the /s these because there are way too many people on HN who would take your comment and say 'he's one of us!'. |
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| ▲ | blurbleblurble 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| "It is an interesting and somewhat macabre parlor game to play at a large gathering of [hackernews readers]: to speculate who in a showdown would go Nazi." https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/ |
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| ▲ | account42 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Resorting to goodwin is an admission that you have no better argument. | | |
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