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Jtsummers 23 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Instead, the electorate should be narrowed to property owning people

Define "property owning", presumably you mean land or a home (would an apartment be enough without any real rights to the land it sits on?). This definition would end up disenfranchising most young adults and probably a majority of the members of the military (the military is relatively young, and young enlisted folks are housed in dorms, and if they move frequently often don't bother buying homes because it just doesn't make financial sense).

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buellerbueller 23 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Of course prisoners should not be allowed to vote

I don't follow. Please explain.

>Instead, the electorate should be narrowed to property owning people who have an IQ above 85 (within one SD of median) and two grandparents born in the U.S. (so culturally assimilated).

Yeah, just like the good old days when we had literacy tests in this country to vote down south.

You're literally calling for a return of Jim Crow.

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rayiner 23 days ago | parent [-]

Jim Crow was bad because it targeted people in the basis of a characteristic that didn’t matter: skin color. That doesn’t mean that all restrictions on voting are bad. If the restriction is based on a characteristic that does matter, like intelligence, that’s completely different.

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buellerbueller 23 days ago | parent [-]

If you are a citizen, subject to the laws and the taxes, you should get a vote: no exceptions.

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rayiner 23 days ago | parent [-]

Why? To what end?

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buellerbueller 23 days ago | parent [-]

I am certain, because you use IQ as a metric for who you think should vote, that you are smart enough to puzzle out a steelman argument for my position.

Use that big brain of yours and try it, you might learn something about humanity (and humility)!

	▲	rayiner 23 days ago \| parent [-]
		There’s lots of potential reasons. I’m trying to figure out which one you’re invoking?

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mystraline 23 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Of course prisoners should not be allowed to vote, for the same reason as children.

Prisoners in jail can be there for a multitude of reasons. But the main difference is that they were likely of voting age. Some states even do allow prisoners to vote. Who more than anyone here is subject to its laws than people imprisoned?

It also naturally penalizes poor people, since they demonstrably get less 'legal equality', and thus go to prison more.

As for children. Thats a different issue. The moment this government(s) started tried children as adults is when and the voting age should have been lowered to the age of 'tried as an adult'.

> Expanding the electorate for the sake of expanding it doesn’t make the result better.

So, you do not believe or accept democratic principles.

It is no different than "get enough eyeballs on a problem, and every problem is shallow".

> Instead, the electorate should be narrowed to property owning people who have an IQ above 85 (within one SD of median) and two grandparents born in the U.S. (so culturally assimilated).

Holy crap, the dog whistles.

Sprinkle phrenology (IQ) in there. Used to defend treating black people as slaves cause "we(royal) were doing them a favor"

Literally grandfather clause, which disenfranchised former slaves.

And property-owning, so a strong retreat to royalist 2nd son tradition. Pray tell, you are only talking about land with property-owning, right?

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rayiner 23 days ago | parent [-]

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tptacek 23 days ago | parent [-]

You don't believe in social science. Sorry, I mean social "science". It feels like it'd be rude to quote you on that point, but it's one of your most consistent arguments and it's not reasonable to expect people not to notice the special pleading you're doing around it. It'd be like me suddenly talking about the virtues of DNSSEC.

	▲	rayiner 23 days ago \| parent [-]
		I don’t think social science is credible as a field. That doesn’t mean that every finding within it is not credible.

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JKCalhoun 23 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sarcasm much? Ha ha, you forgot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_paper_bag_test