| ▲ | anthk 3 hours ago |
| As an European I'd say any USAnite can almost get a gun with breakfast cereal boxes. But weapons' culture in the US it's obsolete. Militias can't do shit against tyranical govs because once they send drones it's game over. |
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| ▲ | rayiner 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It’s not obsolete. In a country where your military is farm boys, the important thing is being able to start the war. Eventually chunks of the military will defect. We saw this happen during the Bangladesh independence movement. The revolutionaries got lucky and knocked over a weapons depot early in the conflict. They started fighting and a large number of the Pakistani army that was of Bangladeshi ancestry defected. I am confident the same thing would happen if the government in DC tried to oppress Iowa or Texas. Drones cut both ways. You’re correct that it allows a small number of people loyal to the regime to asymmetrically oppress a large population. But drone technology is in theory accessible to the populace in an industrialized country. |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > But weapons' culture in the US it's obsolete. Militias can't do shit against tyranical govs because once they send drones it's game over. Pretty sure those 50 thousand or so civilians killed on the street in the recent Iranian protests/riots would have been a lot less, if all those Iranians had easy access to guns, and not just the government. Drones are not enough, you still need boots on the ground for you to claim control over a territory, and boots on the ground think twice about signing up for service if that includes facing armed mobs with guns on a daily basis. So no, mobs with guns are not obsolete. |
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| ▲ | anthk 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Mob with guns would be useless against the Iranian Guards which are pretty much elite commandos. | | |
| ▲ | rayiner 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Goat herders with guns in Afghanistan kicked the U.S. army out of their country. | | |
| ▲ | Edman274 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Afghanistan is a landlocked country on the other side of the planet, the soldiers didn't grow up with knowledge of the terrain, they had no knowledge of the language, culture, customs or social networks, no one locally (with few exceptions) wanted them there, and crucially they only lost once they left, and when they left, there were no penalties for the people who started the war; no US politicians were in any danger whether the war was won or lost, no land was lost, and no truly important geopolitical goals failed. On the flip side in any domestic insurrection, the soldiers know the terrain, language, customs and culture of the people, the supply lines are nothing (rather than having to airlift materiel and people thousands of miles, you drive them on regular roads), the infrastructure supports espionage, most people support the regime and will collaborate to return to stability (since they voted for it), the regime never leaves (you can leave Afghanistan, you can't leave your own country or it ceases to be a country), and if you lose, you lose territory and/or politicians run the risk of violence. The stakes are why these comparisons are never relevant. | |
| ▲ | sidewndr46 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This isn't really accurate. The Northern Alliance entered into an agreement with the US to secure the country. An insurgency sprang up and we fought it for 20 years before giving up. Since this is now after the fact, we can safely say the Taliban ran the insurgency the whole time. The Taliban are a military and political group compromised of an ethnic minority in Afghanistan. It's not even that the US lost to "goat herders with guns". We failed to secure a small country against a well organized, armed minority. | |
| ▲ | swiftcoder an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | To be fair, those "goat herders" were previously trained and armed by the US to fight Russian forces, so it's not quite an apples-to-apples comparison | |
| ▲ | JKCalhoun an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Pretty sure Iranians with 3D printed guns would not be able to kick their own army out of Iran. | |
| ▲ | pegasus 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | But could they do the same to goat herders with bigger guns, drones, bombs, etc? |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What's the commando to civilian ratio in Iran? | | |
| ▲ | mschuster91 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Let's do some napkin math: Iran has about 94 million people. Iran's IRGC alone has a personnel count of 125.000 [1], of which about 2-5000 are estimated to be the elite of the elite ("Quds Force"). Together with the Basij (anywhere from 100-600k) that alone is a sufficient amount of force. And on top of that come maybe 400-500k of the regular Iranian Armed Forces [2], as well as about 260k active police+100k police reservists. So, if one sees the whole of IRGC plus Basij as the "commandos", they alone form an active elite of about 0.5%, if one sees the entirety of the military+police we're looking at easily 2-3 million units, so up to 2%. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolutionary_Guard_Co... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Armed... |
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| ▲ | riskable 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, at birth every American is issued Baby's First Glock™ |
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| ▲ | pocksuppet 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Those drones lost some wars against guerilla militias |
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| ▲ | lenerdenator 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| 1) That's a mischaracterization of the FFL purchase process if I've ever heard one. 2) The weapons culture of the US is so obsolete that there are government officials parroting lines about it not being legal to carry a concealed weapon during a protest in Minnesota when it is, actually, very much legal. That is to say, it's not obsolete at all. Given the prior public stances of the Trump administration on firearms, this is incredibly telling, and all the more reason why you can't trust people like them. |