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dsl 7 hours ago

> he did jumpstart the EV industry. He has put up satellites every week for years. He is still a net benefit to all of us.

Talk to any former SpaceX or Tesla employee. They will clue you in that both were successful in spite of Elon, not because of him.

The Cybertruck was really the first product he saw to completion from his own design. And well...

dboreham 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I think you under appreciate him a bit here. No he's not a super genius. He's probably not even a good engineer. But he is a) a total a.hole and b) a tremendous bullshitter. There are circumstances in which you need such a person to succeed (see also Steve Jobs). He yelled at people for 10 years straight and he was crucial in facilitating capital to build these very capital intensive products. A regular smart person would absolutely not have succeeded, for these reasons.

someothherguyy 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> bullshitter

why is lying at the edge of committing fraud so respected?

theshrike79 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It makes the stock go up and people earn crazy amounts of money.

notrustincloud an hour ago | parent [-]

iff "earn" == "receive"

randallsquared an hour ago | parent [-]

In the absence of force or fraud, those are the same, more or less.