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echelon 15 hours ago

I'm way more worried about drones, self-driving cars, and humanoid robots than "ghost guns".

Once these things can move around us, far away from their owner, there is enormous potential for societal harm.

Someone could buy a $10k Figure robot, strap a bomb or nerve agent to it, then have it walk into a public place.

If we just accept these robots as normal everyday things (it seems like we will), we wouldn't even blink or think twice that a robot was walking up to us.

I hate monitoring and tracking and surveillance. I'm a freedom and personal liberty absolutist for most things without negative externalities. But as I put this new AI tech through thought experiments, I don't know how we'll survive in a normal world anymore when agency is cheap and not tied to mortality.

Society, even one with guns, relied on the fact that people are afraid of the consequences of their actions. If there's no ability to trace a drone or robot, god only knows what could happen.

Kidnappings, murders, terrorism. It seems like this might become "easy".

How hard is it going to be to kill off political opponents in the future? Putin, for instance, enjoys relative freedom of movement because it's hard to get close to him.

Once you can throw a drone into a field or rooftop and have it "sleep" for months until some "awake" command, then it operates entirely autonomously - that's cheap, easy to plan, and potentially impossible to track.

Some disgruntled guy buys some fertilizer, a used van, and comma.ai?

We potentially have a very, very different world coming soon.

iancmceachern 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Good point, as a further example see all the "luck" countries like Ukraine have been having with even slightly modified "consumer" drone stuff applied to this kind of application

m4rtink 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Too complicated - just strap it to a flying drone that can then slam it to the target at high speed.

Works well enough and is in wide use, many people just don't seem to have realized the implications - kinda like with machineguns and barbed wire at the start of WW1.

MagicMoonlight 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The first person to build ChatGPT with limbs wins.

The British army only has maybe 20,000 actual soldiers. You could manufacture enough robots to kill them all in a week. Then you’d just have a whole country.

It’ll completely change the game. There’s no point selling it to a state for their army, when you could just instantly make yourself the owner of the state.

RugnirViking 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

this is so handwavy about so many disciplines of human effort?

robotics? (if you can assume AGI with a perfect world model and perfect motor skills you're insanely further than we are now, like hundreds of years in the future)

military planning? (the british isles haven't been invaded since roman times, hint its not for lack of soldiers)

logistics? (power? fuel? ammunition? boats? planes? parachutes?)

law? (where are you launching your invasion from? how are you testing the killbots without being noticed? who is letting you?)

it seems like the only way you believe this is if you've given completely up on trying to understand anything and just truly to your core think that AI = magic

akersten 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The first person to build ChatGPT with limbs wins.

Don't worry, we're safe. It's already been done and it did not win: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/14dv530/the_homele...

beeflet 9 hours ago | parent [-]

ROFL, this is what I surf the web for. To be fair it doesn't really have limbs