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shevy-java 4 hours ago

Makes sense. This software dependency that Europe has on the USA is very, very bad - no just with regards to Zoom, but literally anything. The US corporations are forced by law to always prioritize whoever represents the current US government, and the current US government will remain hostile as long as it is in charge; but even afterwards it is quite logical to assume that any follow-up government will prioritize US interests over European interests. So it makes no sense to pay for outsiders who would work against you.

France does a few things right; scandinavian countries too (I include The Netherlands here, though they are not really scandiavians but in their decision-making, they are often a bit like a hybrid between France and Denmark or Sweden). Spain and Italy lag behind but sometimes, surprisingly, also do the right thing. The real troublemaker is ... Germany. For a reason nobody understands, Germany is like an US satellite in everything it does, but only ... half-hearted. Naturally, "the economy" is one reason (export centric country so it is readily blackmailable by the USA here) but even then you have to ask why german politicians have absolutely no pride at all. France has pride - that's good and bad but good in this context. (UK is more an US colony really after Brexit anyway, with Farage probably going to win - and cause more damage. Brits just don't learn from this.)

derektank 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>For a reason nobody understands, Germany is like an US satellite in everything it does

I don’t see what’s surprising about this. In the post-war period, most of Europe was hostile to German empowerment, from initial opposition to West Germany’s inclusion in NATO to later resistance to German reunification. The presence of tens of thousands of US troops in Germany also required more diplomatic communication and alignment to maintain status of forces agreements.

The status quo has only really changed in the last twenty years.

dyslexit 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> This software dependency that Europe has on the USA is very, very bad - no just with regards to Zoom, but literally anything.

More to this point, the article points out that one of the drivers of all this is when Microsoft killed one of the emails an ICC prosecutor's email because the US administration sanctioned them:

> A decisive moment came last year when the Trump administration sanctioned the International Criminal Court’s top prosecutor after the tribunal, based in The Hague, Netherlands, issued an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, an ally of President Donald Trump.

> The sanctions led Microsoft to cancel Khan’s ICC email, a move that was first reported by The Associated Press and sparked fears of a “kill switch” that Big Tech companies can use to turn off service at will.

tacker2000 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Since WW2, German national pride is something that is not very well received, added to that the old east/west divide, and the generally strong identification with ones own state/region. It is a complex affair.

pyuser583 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're basically saying Western European countries' relationships with the US haven't changed much since the Cold War.

philipallstar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

France does everything right except produce much software. I'm sure it can copycat things pioneered by the US, and 20 years later, but that's not exactly difficult.

zppln 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Sounds like a pretty good deal for France to fork US software from 20 years ago, because shit sure hasn't improved much since then.

mylifeandtimes 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

why does it matter if it is difficult? You are right, these systems should be well understood by now. And public domain.

chakazula 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To me this is the point right? Everything that's spent enough time in the oven and has been commodified should be eventually launched as a public service. If we lived in a reasonable world this would be how things are done instead of installing permanent toll booths on everything and letting it get shittier and more expensive.

victorbojica 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Doesn't really matter if copycat or not in this case. I'd argue it's even better to be a copycat in order to move faster.

mrits 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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chungy 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The US corporations are forced by law to always prioritize whoever represents the current US government

Where do you get your information from? This is just plainly false. Heck, it runs afoul of the Constitution, so even if the government were to try something, it'd be smacked down real fast.

le-mark 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think it’s more accurate to say that US corporations are subject to US law. Indeed there are no laws that say anything about corporations prioritizing the party in power, but they often do as matter course.

bigfudge an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't know if you're joking, but if not you need to start paying attention to what has been happening in US courts recently.