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| ▲ | ramuel 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Musk and X don't seem to be the type to care about any laws or any compelling legal requests, especially from a foreign government. I doubt the French will get anything other than this headline. | | |
| ▲ | Retric 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Getting kicked out of the EU is extremely unattractive for Twitter. But the US also has extradition treaties so that’s hardly the end of how far they can escalate. | | |
| ▲ | okanat 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't think US will extradite anybody to EU. Especially not white people with strong support of the current government. | | |
| ▲ | Retric 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | White people already extradited to the EU during the current administration would disagree. But this administration has a limited shelf life, even hypothetically just under 3 years of immunity isn’t enough for comfort. | | |
| ▲ | wongarsu an hour ago | parent [-] | | > But this administration has a limited shelf life, even hypothetically just under 3 years of immunity isn’t enough for comfort. Depends on how much faith you have in the current administration. Russia limits presidents to two 6-year terms, yet Putin is in power since 2000. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > don't think US will extradite anybody to EU EU, maybe not. France? A nuclear state? Paris is properly sovereign. > people with strong support of the current government Also known as leverage. Let Musk off the hook for a sweetheart trade deal. Trump has a track record of chickening out when others show strength. | | |
| ▲ | krisoft 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > France? A nuclear state? Paris is properly sovereign. That is true. But nukes are not magic. Explain to me how you imagine the series of events where Paris uses their nukes to get the USA to extradite Elon to Paris. Because i’m just not seeing it. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > nukes are not magic. Explain to me how you imagine the series of events where Paris uses their nukes to get the USA to extradite Elon to Paris Paris doesn’t need to back down. And it can independently exert effort in a way other European countries can’t. Musk losing Paris means swearing off a meaningful economic and political bloc. | |
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| ▲ | rvnx an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | No need for nukes. France can issue an Interpol Red Notice for the arrest of Elon Musk, for whatever excuse is found. |
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| ▲ | fmajid 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | France doesn't extradite its citizens, even absolute scumbags like Roman Polanski. Someone like Musk has lots of lawyers to gum up extradition proceedings, even if the US were inclined to go along. I doubt the US extradition treaty would cover this unless the French could prove deliberate sharing of CSAM by Musk personally, beyond reckless negligence. Then again, after the Epstein revelations, this is no longer so far-fetched. |
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| ▲ | shawabawa3 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If I'm an employee working in the X office in France, and the police come in and show me they have a warrant for all the computers in the building and tell me to unlock the laptop, I'm probably going to do that, no matter what musk thinks | | |
| ▲ | formerly_proven 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Witnesses can generally not refuse in these situations, that's plain contempt and/or obstruction. Additionally, in France a suspect not revealing their keys is also contempt (UK as well). | | |
| ▲ | rvnx 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | 100%. Only additional troubles for yourself personally, for practically no benefit (nobody in the company is going to celebrate you). |
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| ▲ | Teever 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The game changed when Trump threatened the use of military force to seize Greenland. At this point a nuclear power like France has no issue with using covert violence to produce compliance from Musk and he must know it. These people have proven themselves to be existential threats to French security and France will do whatever they feel is necessary to neutralize that threat. Musk is free to ignore French rule of law if he wants to risk being involved in an airplane accident that will have rumours and conspiracies swirling around it long after he’s dead and his body is strewn all over the ocean somewhere. | | |
| ▲ | ronsor 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You're implying that France is going to become a terrorist state? Because suspicious accidents do not sound like rule of law. | | |
| ▲ | hunterpayne 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Counter-point. France has already kidnapped another social media CEO and forced him to give up the encryption keys. The moral difference between France (historically or currently) and a 3rd wold warlord is very thin. Also, look at the accusations. CP and political extremism are the classic go-tos when a government doesn't really have a reason to put pressure on someone but they really want to anyway. France has a very questionable history of honoring rule of law in politics. Putting political enemies in prison on questionable charges has a long history there. | | |
| ▲ | rvnx 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | We are also talking about a country who wants to ban anonymous VPNs in the name of protecting the children and ask everyone to give their ID card to register account on Instagram, TikTok, etc. OpenDNS is censored in France... so imagine |
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| ▲ | bulbar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Killing foreigners outside of the own country has always been deemed acceptable by governments that are (or were until recently) considered to generally follow rule of law as well as the majority of their citizen. It also doesn't necessarily contradicts rule of law. It's just that the West has avoided to do that to each other because they were all essentially allied until recently and because the political implications were deemed too severe. I don't think however France has anything to win by doing it or has any interest whatsoever and I doubt there's a legal framework the French government can or want to exploit to conduct something like that legally (like calling something an emergency situation or a terrorist group, for example). | |
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| ▲ | myko 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No difference in a strike like that and the strikes against fishing boats near Venezuela trump has ordered | |
| ▲ | cyberax 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > You're implying that France is going to become a terrorist state? Because suspicious accidents do not sound like rule of law. Why not? After all, that's in vogue today. Trump is ignoring all the international agreements and rules, so why should others follow them? | |
| ▲ | Teever 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Become? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior The second Donald Trump threatened to invade a nation allied with France is the second anyone who works with Trump became a legitimate military target. Like a cruel child dismembering a spider one limb at a time France and other nations around the world will meticulously destroy whatever resources people like Musk have and the influence it gives him over their countries. If Musk displays a sufficient level of resistance to these actions the French will simply assassinate him. | | |
| ▲ | hunterpayne 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You got that backwards. Greenpeace for all its faults is still viewed as a group against which military force is a no-no. Sinking that ship cost France far more than anything they inflicted on Greenpeace. If anything, that event is evidence that going after Musk is a terrible idea. PS Yes, Greenpeace is a bunch of scientifically-illiterate fools who have caused far more damage than they prevented. Doesn't matter because what France did was still clearly against the law. |
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